Interviews, jobs & sponsorshipDo ya feel lucky, Punk? Well do ya? If so, here's the place to swap the hot gen on who's sponsoring or employing, their selection criteria, and where those oh so elusive first jobs can be spotted in the wild. Watch out for the tumbleweeds...
Exina, what nationality are you and how long was it after completing the CAE app before they emailed you asking for your CV? Perhaps Oxford grads are preferred? Don't you just love all this speculation, I wish one of the CAE team would lay down the facts!
I was accepted to RYR a couple of days ago. Had my assessment cca 10 days ago, I applied via CAE in December. I'm from Italy, I did a modular course and I haven't done the MCC in a 737.
The assessment was very straight forward: the sim is not difficult (the most difficult thing is to control the acft, if you have never been in a B737 sim that is), the interview is just as it has been described in this thread: everyone is very friendly, they can ask you pretty much everything - just be cool, if you don't know an answer, say it. Good luck!
So...do they run a separate pool of applicants,where the integrated guys get an earlier call then modular?All seems pretty random,I have applied early april and heard nothing yet...
They didn't ask us any of those typical ATPL questions ... They ask you a brother question (lets say: why does a plane fly) and then they 'garden path' you - 'why does it have wings, what's lift, why flaps etc.
Been in RYR 3.5 years, and I have to say the attitude a lot of people impose on this thread is actually a bit disrespectful for those of us already in.
Why you all seem to think that just because you applied, you are automatically 'owed' an interview, almost makes me sick. If this type of attitude came across at all in your application, you need not look any further as to why you haven't had any contact from the airline.
You are all the same, fresh CPL/IR's recently printed with minimum hours, in an industry that owes you nothing.
Absolutely VJW, welcome to the real world indeed. Although I count myself lucky to have a job with RYR, I cannot understand how this week I am on three standbys and also three next week. It's not as if I'm in a small base either, it's pretty average. Shocking considering it's almost summer. What on Earth is going on? Sorry, not the most constructive post, just a mini rant
VJW - I agree with you, what you say it is true . but you talk like that because you are not in the same situation like most of us, you already HAVE a job .
you say you are in RYR since 2008/2009, where most of the airlines picked a LOT of low timers, such as 200 TT, when you just pay your training and then get hired.
Nowadays, you pay 60k€ or more for your training, don't get a job, have to pay your renewals, still don't have a job a probably you will have to pay to fly, like a TR+LT. Another 60k€ that you have to spend. Did you spend all this money? i don't think so ..
i'm from portugal, the last pilot intake from TAP, the Portuguese carrier, was in February. Minimum requirements: 1000TT . Now i say, how do you expect to be hired when they hired Portuguese, Brazilian, Spanish, even Italian pilots ? Where in some countries, like Brazil, they don't hire other than Brazilian, by law enforcement? That is just sad ..
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You are all the same, fresh CPL/IR's recently printed with minimum hours, in an industry that owes you nothing
When you got hired, did they own you anything? of course not, you were in the same situation . so what was the difference between me and you? Just tell me.
i'm not a moaner, i'm not expecting to hired by an airliner soon. Aviation is NOT ONLY RYR and other airlines, there are aerial work and other stuff but the reality is that even those, they do not want us, newbie pilots.
the thing about RYR it is our best shot, even if we have to pay our TR, we would recover that money in one year, and the best part - we have a pilot job !
sorry about this post but all pilots who have a pilot job, always say 'welcome to the real world', bla bla bla .. you know the real world of the pilot who is employed, but i think you don't have a real perception of the world of those who search and seek for a pilot job nowadays ..
Really plikee, I qualified in 2008 and no airlines were queuing up to recruit me. Thankfully I had a Plan B in that I was an engineer and I am still working in engineering now to provide for my family while I keep everything in date and continue searching for reliable flying employment.
I started training in 2006 when employment was relatively plentiful compared to today and I finished in May 2008 just as the current economic drama was biting (rotten timing on my part).
To get employment back in 2008/ 2009 VJW has done very well and I’m sure that he will admit he has been blessed with a good degree of luck. The point that he makes is that no-one owes any of us a career and while I understand your frustration and impatience there are people who have been waiting much longer than you to get work.
What I don’t understand is those who remortgage their property or someone elses property to fund their own training in a recession with no Plan B to fall back on if they are not well connected in an airline or on some sort of tagged scheme or pseudo sponsorship scheme.
Rant over back to the RYR discussion, good luck to those waiting for interview dates, if there are 8,000 applicants you will need all the luck you can get.
I did all my training part time in about 2.5 years, all the while working in PLD at the UK CAA issuing everyone else's licences and type ratings. I didn't spend 60k, I never would. I knew where best to go for cheap things like the PPL and hours, but I went to a good modular school for the CPL and IR. I finished with a CPL/IR and MCC only owing £9000, and before any hint of there being a recession. I fail to see how it is anyone other then your own fault if you end up in £60k debt just after one (if it's even over)!
Bearing in mind the amounts of contacts I had doing the job I was doing at the time, RYR was near enough (apart from Flybe but that would have been a £6k pay cut on my office job at the CAA) my only option. However, I had a decent job and was willing to stay there until my time came, I had a good plan B, what's yours? Think you need to get your facts straight on that one, didn't the recession hit late 2008? I think it was extremely difficult to get a job then, not the other way around. I said I joined just over 3 years ago in 2008 - not 1998
You don't have to convince me about Flag carriers. I failed BA a few years back, when a guy on my day was Dutch that passed. I would never get into KLM, but this is a totally separate issue and way off the point.
plikee It seems to me, you are missing the obvious. There is no difference between then and now with regards to Ryanair being nearly the only option to get a foot in the door for cadets. I can't comment on the numbers of intake, so I've no idea on how the length of time it takes to get a call has changed between then and now. I do know however, that the difference between you and I, is I wasn't expecting them to call me, it seems as though you and many others are.
magicmick You are correct, I feel lucky to be doing what I do, I worked hard for it, and believe I'm also good at what I do, and there are plenty of others who are unemployed that could probably do a better job too! None of this changes the fact that had they not called me, while I would be gutted, I wouldn't be demanding a reason why not, or complaining about the length of time it takes to get an interview after I merely applied. Perhaps if RYR sent out rejection emails, this type of expectation among cadets would stop. There are probably plenty on this site who think they are in a queue to be called, when actually their application has been assessed and they are not going to be called at all.
Gyro Drift I'm on 103 hrs this calendar month, maybe you need a base change
Nice one VJW, like you I qualified modular in 2008, I was able to fund everything with my own money and with my wife working and some money I was able to bring in we kept the wolf from the door with no debt at the end of it. Like you I got the call to the RYR assessment in late 2008 but that is where the similarity in our situations end as you had a good day at the assessment and I did not, however I’m not bitter at the missed opportunity and I lay the blame for not getting in with no-one but myself.
As well as some of those having applied assuming that they are just waiting for the call I am sure that there are some that assume that by being called to the assessment day they will be guaranteed acceptance, perhaps some expectation management is in order!!!!
Good luck with the job that you are enjoying, as you point out you’ve worked hard to get where you are and I wish you luck in your continued career with RYR and beyond.
magicmick...this is the problem, there are not enough people like you getting in! Without meeting you or plikee, I know who I'd rather sit next to all day.
I don't think I can keep my mouth shut any longer Out the 8000 Pilots I think more than 2000 of them are Irish (So there out the window), 2000 of them are over 30 (Which ryr doesn't fancy alot of the time), 1500 of them are FI's (They also don't recruit alot of them), 500 of them are wannabes from up north wasting time, 500 already have turbo-prob jobs but want to transit to shiny jets and the remaining 1500 are under 30 willing to bend over for free
Two days before my assessment... I have a doubt. I read today about the procedure called PIOSEE and NITS, which we don't use to learn in Spain. I talked to several pilots and no one knows about it.
As I could read, both should be done after reading the QRH. But what I don't understand is why the PIOSEE talks about identifing the problem, when it should be already solved at that moment.
I'm worried about my CRM with a pilot who is used to this procedure.
