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holding pool for what?? to do the assesmet?? mmhhh...
things must have changed.... in on month?
I guess lots of people back up when the time comes to put the money down...
I have spoken to a few danish pilots down there myself - I think the reason the waitinglist for the course has been long is that the last course Pegasus held is almost a year ago - people have taken their typerating elsewhere since because Pegasus couldnt give en estimate when the next course would be. A LOT went to berlin (and alot of them still dont have jobs)
This is the first time there are assesements (I“ve been told) the reason for that is that they had to kick some weirdos off the course last yr - so now they wanna see if we fit in their envoirement (as all other airlines do too)
Assesement consists of
Interview
Psychomotor/metric test
Simride
I have been following this post item for months, and flying myself for Pegasus (for some more weeks), it is time to write...
Jannick, your mentioning of "weirdo's" is not a very fair one, come to Turkey, try to live and work there, especially at Pegasus, and you might find yourself a weirdo as well after some time. So do not blame the guys from the last course...at least not everybody of them.
About Pegasus, I will try to speak honnest. The type rating training is not the best you can find, but Pegasus is learning as well, so next courses might be better and more professional.
Like "not even peanuts" mentioned before, it is business for Pegasus. For myself, they have sticked to the contact, however they have indeed kicked out people after 200 hours who already signed the employment contract. Pegasus told them the reason was "not achieving the pgs standard", for some of them this may be correct but the main reason is that pgs had too many pilots for the low touristic season in 2006.
So I still agree joining the tr course and line training program at pgs might be a good decision, BUT be aware that you might end up with alot of hope to fly at least 500 hours on the B737 (which you might need to be succesful in applications at other companies except Ryanair and Easyjet) and eventually be kicked out after 200 hours....or even before that.
Personally a friend of mine ended up like this, having spent 32500 euros to pgs for tr course and 200 hours line training, not having earned 1 eurocent during the indeed very long time (6 months or more) it took to gather the 200 hours (pgs estimated the line training time to max 3 months) and after 200 hours he was not issued the employment contract. He is now jobless and waiting for easyjet and ryanair which can take a long time due to the high number of candidates. In the meantime his B737/300-900 rating is almost expiring....
So make up your mind and filter the news from the above posts... there is mostly thruth in it. Pegasus keeps it promises mostly, for some pilots it turned out well, for others it became a professional and financial nightmare, and the reason was not always "not achieving the pegasus standards". For me it turned out well, I got the employment contract after the training contract, but after a long time of not knowing any decision, my contract gets bot extended for another year. Some pilots got it, others like me did not, however I am lucky to have signed a contract with another company in my own country, so it turned out well for me, but it could have been very bad as well...
If you are desperate to get a first jet job and your financial situation allows it, pgs might be a good choice. If your financial situation is already not so colourful, be very aware....
That was the best post ever about Pegasus, thanks Phillip!!
I finally turned down the Pegasus chance....
lot of money for 100 hours... and I can“t go and junp to the water without being sure I could get a contract....
I wish the best for the new entrants! you have been brave enought to choose.....
At the same time I am sad because I might have turned down the chance of my life....
I was not my intention to hurt anybody and I apologize if that was the case - the word "weirdo" was passed on by one working for PGS who was on the same course as them - I do not know these people only pass on information from a person within PGS. But again I apologize and think PGS is a good choice -
Jannick, apologies accepted
Ramon, I did not want to turn down your dream. I have made the decision as well to join the pgs scheme. However I wanted to give an honnest opinion without being bitter at pegasus, this helps nobody. If you need jet hours and you can afford it, go for it...but do not rely on any number of flight hours they promise you, date of your first salary and very important the employment contract after the training contract, and especially the last (no guarantee of employment contract to fly at least more than 200 hours to be valuable on the job market) is what would make ME to decide now not to take that risk anymore...
But once again, it is a free world, filter the above posts and get the useful info out. I try to give an honnest opinion and I have been there for one year....
Good luck to all of you
Next 29th of May I'll be going to Turkey to perform some screening tests for the B737 TR program. Pegasus told me I would have to do an interview, and then a motor test and sim test. Could somebody tell me what should I expect in the sim assessment (B738)? Finally, what do they ask you to do at the motor test?
Best of luck with your screening in Turkey.
From people inside PGS, I have heard that they will need a lot of pilots for the summer months.
Unfortunately you will be too late to catch that wave, but I don't think that PGS is the worst place to start your career.
I was in AYT until 31st October 2006.
Indeed it was frustrating from time to time, but I think the training and the flying we got was ok.
You will fly a lot of VOR, NDB and visual app's in difficult terrain etc. Great fun and a lot of challenge to your flying skills.
Some got kicked out during the linetraining, but to my knowledge these guys did not perform well. Thats what I heard from training captains and safety pilots.
These guys should never have been on that course. A screening would have prevented that, and it looks like they found out in Istanbul as well.
I feel sorry for those who spend a lot of money and now got another 30000 EUR to pay the bank, but some sense of reality would help before handing in the check...
For me it turned out to be the right decision and I know that it has been for many others.
Give it a shot and hopefully you will get some Boeing hours and a good start on your career as an airline pilot.
I can't give you any hints for the tests since we did'nt have it when I was there.
Have fun in sunturk/speedhorse/speedturk or whatever they call them selves...
Im with PGS now - started typerating in Jan. 07 and have 150 hrs on type now (in just 5 weeks) I can highly recommend it.
The screening is not a problem at all - its a written psycho test with about 250 questions (no time limit) and a 5-10 min interview and a simtest.
the simtest it just to see general handling of a/c and 2 visual approaches - no SIDS, STARS or anything.
if you have further questions feel free to pm me on
What is wrong with all you people! You make it sound like paying to work is the best way to "boost" your career. By doing this you are destroying the aviation industry. How are other companies supposed to compete with an "airline" like Pegasus when they have pilots paying to go to work.
Please stop supporting these lousy, crappy organizations who just want your money.
I am shocked about the way you all talk about it. You make it sound like it's the most normal thing to do.
Please get back to reality and stop undermining our industry
I am shocked about the way you all talk about it. You make it sound like it's the most normal thing to do.
Im afraid it has become close to normal - judging from your age it could seem like you have had a job for yrs and have no problems finding a job with thousands of hrs in the book - correct me if im wrong
Jannik
YET AGAIN LIKE A DOG CHASING ITS TAIL WE COME BACK TO THE ARGUMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE SHOULD PAY FOR TYPE RATINGS. i WAS OF THE VIEW THAT PEOPLE SHOULDNT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED A MILLION TIMES BEFORE. AND WHILE I WAS WORKING AS AN INSTRUCTOR WITH MORE MONEY GOING OUT THAN COMING IN EVERYONE ELSE WAS SEEING SENSE AND BUYING IN TO THE INDUSTRY. MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT I DIDNT BUY A TYPE RATING SOONER AND SAVE MY SELF A FEW YEARS IN LOST EARNINGS. i AGREE THAT IN A EUTOPIAN SOCIETY WE SHOULDNT HAVE TO PAY FOR A RATING BUT THATS JUST THE WORLD WE LIVE IN; SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND STOP TELLING EVERYONE HOW TO SPEND THEIR MONEY.
AS USUAL PLEASE FORGIVE THE SPELLING PUNCTUATION ETC.
Well I am not necessarily against people buying ratings, but the group whom I do feel sorry for are the Turkish pilots (by the way I am not not Turkish), who are struggling to find jobs because "overseas" pilots are paying to fly with their local airlines. I doubt some of these Danish pilots would be quite supportive of of SSTR if it was Turkish pilots paying to fly on Danish airlines and were finding themselves priced out of the market.
I guess that is the true price of a freemarket economy (by the way I am instructor who is currently "fogged" in with weather so I have nothing better to do at the moment than waste time on PPRuNe in the clubhouse).
In truth /I guess the JAR system is really the problem, allowing the modular / self improver route to hold a full CPL at 200 hours (also I am modular myself). I am not sure how the national licensing system worked in other European states, but the UK CAA self improver system meant everyone who didn't attend an integrated course had to obtain 700 hours to get a full CPL, hence most people had to instruct, para drop or something on a BCPL. Imagine if Ryanair had to wait for all the 200 hour Second Offcers it employed on SSTR scheme to obtain 700 hours through some other route, they would be forced to offer training bonds to attract candidates. I admit 500 hours of vfr hour building is irrelevant to flying an airliner, but at least the old system created a buffer in the system. So really it is the JAA system that has propagated the SSTR culture.
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judging from your age it could seem like you have had a job for yrs and have no problems finding a job with thousands of hrs in the book - correct me if im wrong
I finished My CPL 7 years ago. Did some years of instructing. Thereafter I worked non-flying jobs for 1.5 years. I then got into some corporate flying and slowly working my way up the ladder.
I would just like to see newly graduates at least TRY to find another job before paying to work. And where does it stop? I thought the industry went wrong when people started buying typeratings. Then people started paying for 100 hrs linetraining, then 200 hrs, and now some people even buy 500 hrs linetraining How far are you people willing to go to fly a 737 (One of the most boring airplanes - too many of them).????? Are you ready to pay for your own upgrade to command, pay for another typerating when your company needs you on another type, pay for your own transport when your flight originates elsewhere than your normal base, pay for uniform, pay for license renewals and OPC etc etc???? All this will happen if you don't start changing your attitude a bit. I know it can be very frustrating being unemployed, but please have a little patience!!!
Hi ZAKKA
I had 3 yrs of patience until I realised that the bank still wanted their money back even if I did not have a flying job - so I decided that something had to happen - in those 3 żears all I could get was 60 hrs of aerial photography - so watching guys straight from school getting jobs with a typerating I decided to go for it as well -
Where I come from GA is dead and no one will hire you if you have 250 hrs and no rating - and hard to get hrs without a job - I COULD pay for the hrs myself by why should I - I have to pay oor my own rating later anyway - so went straight for the rating - never had intentions of becoming an instructor ( think instructors should be people who WANT to instruct not just to build hrs quickly)
Before 9/11 when everything was good you more or less just needed 700-1000 hrs to get a job - no longer - Airlines prefer a guy with 250 hrs and typerating over a guy with 800 hrs and no typerating -
I did my rating and not surprised I had 2 jobinterview-offers 6 weeks after I got my rating -
Im sorry to tell you but the industry seems to have changed to the fact that you no longer just need to pay for your Frozen ATPL - but also your rating. Hopefully it will change - but im not spending more years waiting for it to happen already spent 3 yrs.
happy flying
Jannik
I definately see your point. Waiting 3 years is enough.
So how is it going for you danish guys at pegasus?! What are your prospects when the charter season ends, going to ryan or what?!
regards
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