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Old 18th Dec 2015, 00:29   #1 (permalink)
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Amazon in talks to lease 20 jets to launch air cargo business

According to the Dec. 17 Seattle Times:

Amazon in talks to lease 20 jets to launch air cargo business | The Seattle Times

"Amazon.com is negotiating to lease 20 Boeing 767 jets for its own air delivery service, cargo industry executives have told The Seattle Times.

"The online retail giant wants to build out its own cargo operations to avoid delays from carriers such as United Parcel Service, which have struggled to keep up with the rapid growth of e-commerce.

"'Amazon is pretty fed up with the third-party carriers being a bottleneck to their growth,' Robert W. Baird & Co. analyst Colin Sebastian said."
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If they start getting their own airplanes in 2017, the timing would be perfect for pilot supply: boatloads of people retiring from US airlines, many of whom will have lots of B767 time and won't care if they're the captain or not.

Just make it a Part 125 operation where, if I remember correctly, there's no age limit for flight crew. This has several advantages:

1) Old guys don't sleep all that well so they're going to be awake all night anyway.

2) The job won't pay very well so Amazon can afford to put three pilots on every airplane so they'd have a spare if one dies in the seat in flight. And there's no one aboard to be alarmed that a pilot died in flight...won't even make the news and generate negative publicity.

2a) Maybe three pilots won't be necessary since one old fart can manage a B767 quite nicely alone...and probably hated the guy who died anyway. No emergency landing required...just continue to original destination.

2b) Two old guys are unlikely to died simultaneously (of natural causes) on the same leg.

3) Amazon won't be forced by Obamacare to provide health insurance as the pilots would all have Medicare which fortunately provides a $255 burial benefit which is about enough to get someone to come retrieve the body from the freight ramp before it decomposes.

4) There'd be no pension obligation to fund as they'd all have Social Security (and won't live long enough to collect a company pension anyway).

5) They won't unionize since they'd all be sick & tired of getting screwed by ALPA in the past.

6) The pilot supply is virtually endless.

7) If all that fails, just use that special visa deal to get as many Aussies as possible.

I really should've been in management !!

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Old 18th Dec 2015, 15:45   #4 (permalink)
 
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Nice try:

§125.11 Certificate eligibility and prohibited operations.

(b) No certificate holder may conduct any operation which results directly or indirectly from any person’s holding out to the public to furnish transportation.

As long as Amazon says they will deliver to anyone it falls under 121.
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Old 18th Dec 2015, 16:25   #5 (permalink)
 
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"As long as Amazon says they will deliver to anyone it falls under 121. "

Yep, knew that and saw the statement in the articles that they might carry another company's stuff.


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Joking like that could give them some ideas and they might try to change the Regs.
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Old 18th Dec 2015, 19:12   #7 (permalink)
 
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Think of it as recycling old airline pilots...one step removed from soylent green. :-}
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Old 19th Dec 2015, 18:44   #8 (permalink)
 
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Some of Amazons warehouses/distribution centres are not ideal with the UPS/FedEx/DHL network. Might see some other airports picking up overnight freight traffic.
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What do you do now Bafan ? Seems to me an undertaker/funeral director job will fit you real good.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 13:32   #10 (permalink)
 
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nch334,

"...an undertaker/funeral director job will fit you real good."

Nah, not enough laughs in that gig !
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Some of Amazons warehouses/distribution centres are not ideal with the UPS/FedEx/DHL network. Might see some other airports picking up overnight freight traffic.
What like Cardiff and Edinburgh in the UK for their Swansea and Dunfermline depots?

This

Suggests they will wet lease rather than operate.
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Old 24th Dec 2015, 16:28   #12 (permalink)
 
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Never Fretter,

Amazon would certainly use dedicated subcontractors to start but if it worked well enough...

"While the e-tailer is unlikely to be eyeing its own AOC just yet, it could begin acquiring aircraft after testing the waters through a leasing operation."

No way to tell if they'll pull the trigger on this idea but Amazon is a force to be reckoned with.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 14:43   #13 (permalink)
 
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where are those big warehouses ?
EDIT : http://www.mwpvl.com/html/amazon_com.html
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Wouldn't Manston be a good location for an Amazon UK/Europe hub?
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Manston, to the North, East and South is the sea, it is hardly central to the UK.

DHL are at East Midlands due to it's central location, motorway/road network, 24hr operation and no restriction on night movements. It would also be ideal location for Amazon as well. When DHL set up the hub at Leipzig Amazon quickly followed with, I was told the biggest whare house/distribution center they have in Europe.

If Amazon follow the DHL, FedEx or UPS set up they will be going in the right direction.
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Finningley. They're already running a 737 six days a week into here, a Europe Airpost aircraft.

Would be great to see that ramped up to several widebodies per day.
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Read a post a few weeks ago the Amazon had been running an aircraft into Luton nightly for a trial. I think it was a 737 but I could be wrong. Don't know if the trial is still running though but Amazon have a massive depot just 3 junctions up the M1 from the airport.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 19:03   #18 (permalink)
 
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Latest info:

"ATSG subsidiary airlines ABX Air and ATI will operate the aircraft for Amazon and ATSG will also provide logistical services at its Wilmington hub."



Amazon to lease 20 Boeing 767s for its own air cargo network | The Seattle Times
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 14:40   #19 (permalink)
 
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Looks like an Amazon subcontractor is doing some hiring:

https://www.airtransport-jobs.com/jobDesc.asp?JobID=49
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 16:24   #20 (permalink)
 
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I don't understand this part of ATI's ad:

"Must be able to qualify and pass a US Government secret clearance in the event of CRAF activation"

Lots of US carriers in CRAF and I don't recall seeing that mentioned in other pilot employment ads. Some have green card holders as pilots (likely not all that many though).

http://www.amc.af.mil/library/factsh...eet.asp?id=234
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