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Old 24th Nov 2012, 20:15   #21 (permalink)
 
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Lets hope so A and C, lets hope so.

I honestly do believe that people involved in aviation are generally, as a whole, trustworthy and honourable people.....Yes i agree that there are the odd "harmless character's" that have evolved over the years...."harmless characters" we can put up with, to a certain extent... but do we really want paedophile's in aviation......i dont think so.....

Lets hope that when he pleads guilty, as he has said he will, (not to me) that for once, in his sad, sorry, webcam ridden, pathetic life he takes his punishment like an man, and not like a child..... and he will, well and truely dissapear from aviation for ever......

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Old 24th Nov 2012, 22:13   #22 (permalink)
 
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He doesn't moonlight as a musician or DJ when not flying, I suppose?

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 15:16   #23 (permalink)
 
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So on the one hand you're saying your mate is innocent until proven guilty, though you're then saying he's 'err'd' and is errr, guilty??
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 15:42   #24 (permalink)
 
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I totaly agree with you that a person is innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law.


On the whole I do understand your point about people's falability when it comes to busininess but sexual offenses especially against minors are about personal pleasure and gratification not bending the law a bit to get yourself out of a financial hole.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 17:48   #25 (permalink)
 
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Is there any connection between this thread and the thread on R&N about silverhawk getting a subpoena from MOL?
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 21:51   #26 (permalink)
 
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I'm sorry Silverhawk i think you've got it badly wrong. I have also known him for a number of years and to be quite honest the allegations have left me shocked. Talking about cracking (seeming to indicate you are thinking extreme pressure) and the alleged crimes simply is not any form of defence.

Also an earlier poster seemed to indicate the intention to plead guilty.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 22:43   #27 (permalink)
 
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"At the risk of being flamed I will say this; I have known this guy for several years. Not me, not you, nor anyone else is entirely innocent of everything. We will all err to some extent at some time or other. Given the correct set of circumstances or pressures, we will all crack, ALL."

Note your use of the term 'err'. If the above statement wasn't specifically referring to the alleged then it's a bit of irrelevant waffle so it's deduced you are referring to his actions as having been an 'err'. Consider yourself flamed.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 15:12   #28 (permalink)
 
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The following is public information and factual so i'm guessing the moderators will not have a problem with it.

Preston Crown Court Listings, hearings, cases & details

Case to be listed for Sentence on 25-Feb-2013

Looks like a guilty plea as reported earlier in the thread.
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 15:12   #29 (permalink)
 
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Red 1 ?? was certainly in Air UK and departed quicker than a Hawk on full throttle
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 22:00   #30 (permalink)
 
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A tidy up for freight dog night owls who may not have read these threads elsewhere.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 22:31   #31 (permalink)
 
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Not yet found (or pleaded) guilty. But, for the sake of argument, lets assume he will be.

What do you do with people like this? If the court sentences him to prison or some sort of detention/rehabilitation, its a moot point. But lets say he gets some sort of probation with conditions. It doesn't appear that his sort of job will put him in contact with juveniles. Close his business and/or fire him and now he's unemployed and out on the street where he's harder to track. And perhaps he'll develop a grudge against society and take it out on whomever.

Sure, most of us might be somewhat uncomfortable around such a person. But dealing with them professionally, while being fully informed of who and what they are might be the best place for them.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 22:48   #32 (permalink)
 
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I could be wrong....but I'm pretty sure he pleaded guilty. It was listed on the Preston Crown Court case list web page just after the initial hearing in Crown Court. Either way, he's resigned from his job and whatever the outcome of Sentencing, people who have idea's about young children have NO place ANYWHERE in society.

As an ex-colleague of the individual it's sad to know that he's effectively thrown his life away. But, more importantly, thank god the Police are on the case of people who would potentially abuse Children.

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Old 5th Jan 2013, 17:22   #33 (permalink)
 
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people who have idea's about young children have NO place ANYWHERE in society.
Do you have a deserted island we can put these people on?

Yes, its a heinous crime, but what do we do with him now? Or after he is released from whatever incarceration he is sentenced to? His current (or last) profession didn't put him in contact with children. And once his co-workers know what he's been up to, they can keep an eye on him. He'll probably be in some work release program for the foreseeable future, checking in with the local authorities and perhaps wearing a GPS tracking device.

But if you just kick him out on the street, he's got time on his hands and the possibility of moving into a career or new circle of acquaintances that are not aware of his past.

Unless you've got that island ready, he will remain a part of society. Sure, you could give him a bus ticket to the next town. But they wouldn't be too happy about that. And the buses run in both directions.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 14:06   #34 (permalink)
 
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This guy was always creepy IMHO. I worked there 10 years ago, and he was just weird.

Well known for his secrecy and rather strange attributes.

Now we know why.

Coincidentally, he's the second "sex pest" pilot I have known in the last decade.

I also had the serious misfortune of training with the perverted ex Monarch FO from Northamptonshire who was convicted of kiddy fiddling a few years back.

He wasn't even subtle. He used to tell us all about how much he enjoyed having the neighbours kids over.

Very grim.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 14:27   #35 (permalink)
 
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This guy was always creepy IMHO. I worked there 10 years ago, and he was just weird.
Interesting, Flight academy Blackpool didn't even exits in 2003


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Or were you talking about the freight side?

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 14:52   #36 (permalink)
 
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The freight side. When he was an FO, as was I.
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 14:35   #37 (permalink)
 
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EEngr - Prison is the only place for people like this and rightly or wrongly I don't consider those in prison as a part of society. They chose to break the law to an extent that a court decided thy should be removed from the streets and confined behind bars. You don't get locked up for shop lifting from the pick n' mix....

But we digress......it's a sad case all round.
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Old 10th Jan 2013, 15:38   #38 (permalink)

 
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Since you guys still supplicate to a monarchy over there, why don't you send him to the dungeon. A kangaroo court with wigs and robes would add some flourish to his trial.
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Old 10th Jan 2013, 15:50   #39 (permalink)
 
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What a strange comment !

Are you a friend of that Alex Jones who Piers Morgan interviewed on TV a few days back ?

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Old 10th Jan 2013, 18:45   #40 (permalink)
 
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Worried

Hi,

I live on the same street and it was a neighbour who mentioned what he had been up to. Not that I know him, seems to keep himself to himself.

What is worrying is that our houses back onto a junior school - that is too close IMO for someone like that. Can't see him staying around though now this is out.
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