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No, you bloody well don't. By you own admission, you're looking forward to seeing more US registered aircraft flying in Europe. That means you look forward to replace the current airline with UPS' own US-registered aircraft, leaving hundreds of TNT people out of a job.
Do notice how nobody has stooped to your level by picking up on the "intra-Europe" bait.
On another note:
I worked for a relatively short while at TNT, and have a mum who worked for many years with UPS. The two company cultures can't be any more different, considering they're very much in the same industry (express trucking companies with airlines on the side), and the differences are both broader and deeper than what ABX and DHL experienced. I wish the guys in TNT the best of luck; chances are they'll be shafted royally in the coming months. UPS got enough money to burn, but in this economy and with hindsight in mind, my money's on UPS burning through hundreds of millions in a short time.
TNT already said that they were going to massively downsize their own airline and increase the use of ground transport regardless of UPS buying them. So most of those TNT Airways guys would be out of a job no matter what.
UPS' MO is to not buy airlines or take on massive amounts of new employees. They want the customer base and the volume that those customers bring.
Since UPS is the purchaser, it's normal to want our own airline to do any additional flying that will result.
I have always met my peers from Fedex and UPS with respect at security etc all over Europe understanding these guys/girls are just working for a living and doing nothing wrong because the USA is 1 country and Europe is a bunch of seperate sovreign states,so call it what you want but it aint united.
BrowntailWhale you have changed that,you may feel good,you may feel proud but your attitude has let you down and get what you may at least I know I never had or will have that kind of attitude towards my fellow professionals regardless of where they come from.
Hopefully a decent deal has been worked out for TNT employees!
There is lots of uncertainty, but hopefully a decent deal has been worked out for TNT employees. Star taking over TNT Airlines might be a viable option. Anybody know the number of TNT pilots that are TNT employees versus working for contractor companies?
Wouldn't it cost UPS a lot less to have TNT pilots fly the newly brown painted aircraft in Europe on the TNT certificate? Maybe you'll even see UPS grow TNT and outsource a lot of the international flying to TNT.
Last time I checked, the pilot contract at UPS was best in the industry and I'm sure mngt is looking everywhere to break it.
At the risk of being shot down for sticking my nose in:
I don't get paid to fly, I do it because I enjoy it. I fund my flying by running a business. I need to make choices about the business, and the choices I make determine whether or not I can pay my mortgage, eat, provide for my family and fly.
TNT is not a victim here, nor are the employees. This is the way it is in business. Why on earth should UPS "look after " the TNT people at the expense of UPS staff?
Can you all honestly say that if you worked for UPS you would rather see the company go under when someone else buys it rather than see the TNT operation get swallowed and provide you with work?
This is the business food chain. Eat or get eaten.
As in all business mergers / takeovers. An often overlooked point is that the company have a greater responsibility to those who are staying than to those who are going. I doubt it will all be one way, with TNT guys and girls being dumped. This is a great opportunity for UPS to trim dead wood and cherry pick the brightest of the TNT staff. Sadly, for some, it is also an opportunity to just flush out the experienced, higher paid and valuable, but costly, senior staff.
That's just the way it is.
If you prevent it happening by industrial action and causing grief, then standby for DHL or FedEx eating both of you when the customers jump ship.
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By the way TNT was doing business during the last couple of years this buyout by UPS might well be its only possible salvation. Sure many people at TNT are going through difficult and uncertain times, not least the pilots at LGG and other TNT bases and I really hope this all works out for them but lets be realistic here, this wasn't going to last like this forever.
Of all things the TNT people in the US and the TNT base in Brazil are most likely to suffer the most, that's where all of the losses are generated. TNT Europe is a profitable business, it could very well turn out to be not too bad for most of its EU operations, however I think LGG will suffer substantially.
They just said it will not.
"Liège will have a role in the european network, although it may be a different role than now" from belga news report.
" UPS recognizes the significant value of TNT Express' operations, assets and people in Liege and will seek to continue the future utilization of these operations, assets and people within the combined group."