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Old 18th Mar 2012, 22:23   #1 (permalink)
 
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UPS buys TNT!

UPS Said to Reach Deal to Buy TNT Express to Grow in Europe - Bloomberg


Can't wait for more browntail N numbered jets flying in Europe!
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Old 18th Mar 2012, 22:26   #2 (permalink)
 
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Wonder if that will turn out any better than DHL's acquisition of Abx.
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Old 18th Mar 2012, 23:06   #3 (permalink)
 
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BrowntailWhale, you could have chosen not to be a complete prick.
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Old 18th Mar 2012, 23:59   #4 (permalink)
 
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How am I being a prick? Because I'm proud of my company and it's purchase of a lesser rival and with it the increase of browntail flying intra-Europe? I think not.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 00:29   #5 (permalink)
 
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There are now thousand of people worried about whether they will still have a job or not. Many may find that they will not.

You could have welcomed them as new colleagues and wished them well. You chose to gloat and rub it in with a stupid "browntail N numbered jets" comment.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 00:38   #6 (permalink)
 
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I do welcome our newly acquired TNT folks. I'm also looking forward to the increase in browntail flying intra-Europe.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 01:03   #7 (permalink)
 
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No, you bloody well don't. By you own admission, you're looking forward to seeing more US registered aircraft flying in Europe. That means you look forward to replace the current airline with UPS' own US-registered aircraft, leaving hundreds of TNT people out of a job.

Do notice how nobody has stooped to your level by picking up on the "intra-Europe" bait.

On another note:

I worked for a relatively short while at TNT, and have a mum who worked for many years with UPS. The two company cultures can't be any more different, considering they're very much in the same industry (express trucking companies with airlines on the side), and the differences are both broader and deeper than what ABX and DHL experienced. I wish the guys in TNT the best of luck; chances are they'll be shafted royally in the coming months. UPS got enough money to burn, but in this economy and with hindsight in mind, my money's on UPS burning through hundreds of millions in a short time.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 01:18   #8 (permalink)
 
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Hmmm .. I'm thinking that a few people might just be sharpening their harpoons right now.

I'm happy to be proved wrong but I'm not sure that overly triumphant comments from those with seriously brown noses, or even worse tongues, will go down terribly well at the moment

Good luck to those guys and gals who will inevitably lose their jobs as a result of this takeover.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 01:20   #9 (permalink)
 
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TNT already said that they were going to massively downsize their own airline and increase the use of ground transport regardless of UPS buying them. So most of those TNT Airways guys would be out of a job no matter what.

UPS' MO is to not buy airlines or take on massive amounts of new employees. They want the customer base and the volume that those customers bring.

Since UPS is the purchaser, it's normal to want our own airline to do any additional flying that will result.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 01:31   #10 (permalink)
 
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I have always met my peers from Fedex and UPS with respect at security etc all over Europe understanding these guys/girls are just working for a living and doing nothing wrong because the USA is 1 country and Europe is a bunch of seperate sovreign states,so call it what you want but it aint united.
BrowntailWhale you have changed that,you may feel good,you may feel proud but your attitude has let you down and get what you may at least I know I never had or will have that kind of attitude towards my fellow professionals regardless of where they come from.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 03:05   #11 (permalink)
 
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Hopefully a decent deal has been worked out for TNT employees!

There is lots of uncertainty, but hopefully a decent deal has been worked out for TNT employees. Star taking over TNT Airlines might be a viable option. Anybody know the number of TNT pilots that are TNT employees versus working for contractor companies?
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 03:51   #12 (permalink)
 
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I think this is a dynamite of a deal for UPS to grow in Europe. Hopefully UPS will grow there organically.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 07:42   #13 (permalink)
 
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Wouldn't it cost UPS a lot less to have TNT pilots fly the newly brown painted aircraft in Europe on the TNT certificate? Maybe you'll even see UPS grow TNT and outsource a lot of the international flying to TNT.

Last time I checked, the pilot contract at UPS was best in the industry and I'm sure mngt is looking everywhere to break it.

be careful what you wish for brown shorts.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 09:38   #14 (permalink)
 
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Polax 52, they already do.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 09:44   #15 (permalink)
 
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i thought that American Atlas pilots were thrown out of their BA Cargo contract with the formation of Global Supply Systems?
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 09:50   #16 (permalink)
 
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Already, Emirates and TNT are in bed together, you can bet UPS freight is already flown on Emirates spare capacity.

People forget that Emirates is actually the 3rd biggest cargo airline in the world in terms of international freight miles.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 10:17   #17 (permalink)
 
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At the risk of being shot down for sticking my nose in:

I don't get paid to fly, I do it because I enjoy it. I fund my flying by running a business. I need to make choices about the business, and the choices I make determine whether or not I can pay my mortgage, eat, provide for my family and fly.

TNT is not a victim here, nor are the employees. This is the way it is in business. Why on earth should UPS "look after " the TNT people at the expense of UPS staff?

Can you all honestly say that if you worked for UPS you would rather see the company go under when someone else buys it rather than see the TNT operation get swallowed and provide you with work?

This is the business food chain. Eat or get eaten.

As in all business mergers / takeovers. An often overlooked point is that the company have a greater responsibility to those who are staying than to those who are going. I doubt it will all be one way, with TNT guys and girls being dumped. This is a great opportunity for UPS to trim dead wood and cherry pick the brightest of the TNT staff. Sadly, for some, it is also an opportunity to just flush out the experienced, higher paid and valuable, but costly, senior staff.

That's just the way it is.

If you prevent it happening by industrial action and causing grief, then standby for DHL or FedEx eating both of you when the customers jump ship.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 10:34   #18 (permalink)
 
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By the way TNT was doing business during the last couple of years this
buyout by UPS might well be its only possible salvation.
Sure many people at TNT are going through difficult and uncertain times, not least
the pilots at LGG and other TNT bases and I really hope this all works out for them but lets be realistic here, this wasn't going to last like this forever.

Of all things the TNT people in the US and the TNT base in Brazil are most likely to suffer the most, that's where all of the losses are generated.
TNT Europe is a profitable business, it could very well turn out to be not too bad for most of its EU operations, however I think LGG will suffer substantially.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 11:38   #19 (permalink)
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How am I being a prick? Because I'm proud of my company and it's purchase of
a lesser rival and with it the increase of browntail flying intra-Europe? I
think not.

Yea, you are.

TNT may have issues (as does UPS), but the people who make up the organization are your fellow pilots, fellow human beings, and are deserving of respect.

Your attitude is some of what makes other nationalities despise we Americans. And you need to spend some quiet time in front of a mirror if you don't get that.
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Old 19th Mar 2012, 11:47   #20 (permalink)
 
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however I think LGG will suffer substantially.
They just said it will not.
"Liège will have a role in the european network, although it may be a different role than now" from belga news report.
" UPS recognizes the significant value of TNT Express' operations, assets and people in Liege and will seek to continue the future utilization of these operations, assets and people within the combined group."

But it's still easy to lose 25% of trafic ...
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