Freight DogsFinally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.
Dear Pilots, On the 4th of July we ask for your support in declaring our Independence from the tyranny imposed upon us from this unscrupulous management team.
Management wants to continue with things as they are. They are making an incredible amount of money, paying us at the old rate. They do not have to honor the new trip rigs/days away from base.
They will win a new, weak scope section as Judge Kasher is very biased and will side with management against labor. He has shown his true colors in the past.
On Independence Day; 1. Atlas/Kalitta Pilots will no longer fly Polar Flights 2. Polar Pilots will share the pain by blocking out 16 minutes late
Our goal is to force management to sign our new contract as it is negotiated, not as it will be assigned by Judge Kasher.
We chose the Polar flights because management is continuing to add these flights to our schedule, Keeping us out longer without the protections of our new contract and paying us at the old, outdated pay rates. Polar alone cannot fly these flights and they are easily identifiable.
In blocking out late, the fines imposed on management will make it very expensive to continue without a new contract in place. Please use the code, "New Contract needed" in the acars message.
We ask for your support in this endeavour. This is not sactioned by nor even known by Union Officials. They will come out against this on paper, but remain strong, our solidarity outweighs managements greed.
And with fines that will be one or more pilots gone......Have you ever understood that there will be many who will work for what you earn and that in the long run they will sign on the dotted line. You are asking to sabotage a working company that if they fold will leave even more out of work.
1. Atlas/Kalitta Pilots will no longer fly Polar Flights 2. Polar Pilots will share the pain by blocking out 16 minutes late
Pretty typical and sounds familiar of the MEC Bobb Henderson days. Polar crews asking everyone else to risk their jobs in an illegal job action for Polar crews sole benefit while the Polar crews do not risk their jobs at all.
I think everyone else is waiting for Polar to take a turn at it.
Hey, just wondering if anyone wouldn't mind giving me an idea of what the schedules are like? Are you gone for a full 18+ days or do they have you back at base in-between shorter trips? So if I lived within a driving distance of the base, would I be home more? Also, I wasn't clear if you have to live within a certain distance of the base or not? Finally, are you guys a part of the CASS system? Can I jumpseat on other carriers and do you get any ID90 benefits. Appreciate any info you might have. Thanks
First to answer many e-mails; Who am I? I am a small group of Atlas and Polar pilots disappointed with the current state of contract negotiations.
There is not any Union involvement, not even former Union reps.
This is not an illegal job action. If we struck and refused to fly any freight, it would be illegal. We will continue to fly all non-conflicted freight.
What is our goal? To force the company to accept out terms and not be forced to accept thier terms.
On Independence day we will prove to the company 1 of 2 things; 1. We have the balls to stand up to them. 2. We don't have any balls and they can have thier way with us.
Time to stand up and be counted.
Please pass this around and get as many people involved as you can.
Flynn747 Independence Day First to answer many e-mails; Who am I? I am a small group of Atlas and Polar pilots disappointed with the current state of contract negotiations.
There is not any Union involvement, not even former Union reps.
This is not an illegal job action. If we struck and refused to fly any freight, it would be illegal. We will continue to fly all non-conflicted freight.
What is our goal? To force the company to accept out terms and not be forced to accept thier terms.
On Independence day we will prove to the company 1 of 2 things; 1. We have the balls to stand up to them. 2. We don't have any balls and they can have thier way with us.
Time to stand up and be counted.
Please pass this around and get as many people involved as you can.
PO 998, 9 minutes EARLY PO 948, 3 minutes late PO 997, 6 minutes EARLY PO 211, Ontime
That's it so far. Remember, this airline is just a six airplane operation, and only has 10 departures on the 4th. Almost half way there, and nothing. So far, is this working for you?
We really don't have any idea who is behind this. FLYNN747 could be a 13 year old, or just someone acting 13?
You have to give support to get support. Polar has never done so and has asked everyone one else to risk themselves without any reciprocation on their part in the past.
Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.
Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.
I would like to suggest a different interpretation. What I see is a very small group that has now demonstrated that they do not speak for the Polar pilots. And perhaps the Polar pilots have taken the opportunity to make that clear.
I would like to suggest a different interpretation. What I see is a very small group that has now demonstrated that they do not speak for the Polar pilots. And perhaps the Polar pilots have taken the opportunity to make that clear.
That works also.
While I love being able to make a whole labor force movement against management, it can't be done solely at the whim of a few that are not happy. Especially if they were of the past leadership.
From NIttyGritty: You have to give support to get support. Polar has never done so and has asked everyone one else to risk themselves without any reciprocation on their part in the past.
Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.
Seriously? Talking out the end you shouldn't is what I gather from your post. I'm a good neighbor and return tools when borrowed. However, I will not ask for tools from scabs (not saying you are one) or from people with no back bone. Most of you do not fit the above and thank goodness there's new blood coming in through the ranks of newhires. The Atlas side of the house gets roughly a measly ten percent pay hike if and when the arbitrator rules, profit sharing has financial triggers involved, listened to Bourne's koolaid speech to join Teamsters (how's that workin' out for ya), and some work rule improvements.
Rumor has it that there's going to be another ALPA push after arbitration. Time will tell, I guess. So as far as your "garage" is concerned, there's nothing in there to borrow so why even bother. Having said that, I have no issues with Atlas folks as long as they don't get there almighty wholier than thow attitude going against the Polar folks.
If you voted to pass your last contract years ago shame on you. That's a question I love to ask when talking to some on the Atlas side of the house when it's brought up. I let them complain and complain then all I do is ask if they voted for it. If they say yes, enough said.
IMO, we're going to have safety in numbers when or IF the arbitrator rules. The catch is staying on the correct side of the house and throwing away your koolaid glass if you have one.
