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Old 19th Aug 2010, 12:53   #1 (permalink)
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Shorts Belfast for sale

Afternoon all

Don't think this has been posted before, but Shorts Belfast RP-C8020 has been advertised for sale for $980,000.
The company advertising her is a company named Flightstar of Miami and the advert can be found at. www.flightstartrading.com


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Maybe the RAF could buy it as an interim measure until the A400 arrives............
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Find a sugar daddy and get it back to UK, donate it to Duxford along with other british airliners that need to be remembered. Its been a good stalwart over its time...
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Wow thats one hell of a price when they only paid 125kUSD for it and all they have done since is wear it out.
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Heavy Cargo, I thought you said it was sold to South America?
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My understanding is that some form of deal to South America has been made, but i dont know if it has left Cairns in Oz. So many classic aircraft die in South America, i hope its not the case for the last SC5
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Well this operator could use a compatible replacement aircraft

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How many aircraft are there on the bottom of Lake Victoria???
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always wondered why the Belfast looked like the C130
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Chicken and egg. I've always wondered why the Belfast, C-130, AN-22 all look like the C-133?
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Pretty sure -130 was designed first...not that it means a whole lot, you have a mission, aerodynamics will dictate similar looking 'planes.
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C130 - C133

The C130 was first flown in August 1954. The C133 first flew in April 1956. Different aircraft for different roles, the C130 being designed for tactical work and the C133 for strategic transport.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 08:58   #16 (permalink)
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Before anyone asks what the difference between the Belfast and the C-133 was it was mainly that our one worked and their one didn't.

Not one single Belfast disappeared without trace or crashed which is more than could be said about the C-133.

By the way, I had a Belfast friend who flew both of them.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 11:27   #17 (permalink)
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Risk and exposure. The -133 operated in much larger numbers, and was in military service longer than the handful of Belfasts.
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C-133 Stall Characteristics?

Wikipedia infers the C-133's stall was the cause of several accidents, including one which stalled at the top of the climb to cruise altitude.

Assuming this wasn't a low level mission, what sort of stall characteristic did the C-133 have and why, to not be able to recover if it had a fair bit of height?
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 20:26   #19 (permalink)
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13/04/58 54-0146 Fatalities: 4 Georgetown GE.

10/06/01 57-1614 Fatalities: 8 Near Tachikawa at sea 33 minutes after T/O.

27/05/62 57-1611 Fatalities: 6 Crashed at sea 32 minutes after take off from Dover AFB.

10/04/63 59-0523 Fatalities: 9 Crashed 3/4 miles short of Travis AFB.

31/07/63 56-2005 Burnt out during ground refuelling at Dover AFB.

22/09/63 59-2002 Fatalities: 7 Took off from Dover AFB for Lajes and was never seen again. Last heard of 57 minutes after take-off.

07/11/64 56-2014 Fatalities: 7 Near Goose Bay. Stalled after take off. Right wing dropped. Left wing dropped. Impacted nose high.

11/01/65 54-0140 Fatalities 6: Crashed 500 feet after take off at Wake Island.

30/04/67 59-0534 Fatalities 0: Near Oknawa all power lost after take-off and ditched in the sea 34 miles off the coast.

06/02/70 59-0530 Fatalities 10: Nr Patisade NE. Explosive decompression. Crashed in flames.

So, you had 50 C-133s and killed a huge number of crews.

We had 10 Belfasts on 53 Squadron and we still had 10 Belfasts when we were finally finished in the Defence Cuts in 1976.

By the way, we always had USAF exchange officers on the squadron and they were always a bit apprehensive that the Belfast looked a bit like the C-133 which scared the shit out of them.

I look forward to you making a logical case for the C-133 having had such a successful career.

In 53 Squadron we were very proud of the fact that we had the entire production run and, just before Christmas in 1971, we got all of them back for Christmas and flew them in formation. It was probably the only time that an entire production run was flown in formation.

I have the photographs!
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Hmm, 10 aircraft in service for a total of 10 years. Doing what exactly?
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