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Freight Dogs Finally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.


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Old 24th Nov 2012, 01:44   #81 (permalink)
 
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Unlikely it will have any sort of life, an orphan with difficulties getting spares. A museum would probably be the best to expect rather than being scrapped.
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Old 24th Nov 2012, 15:49   #82 (permalink)
 
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Spares are no problem since they scrapped G-BEPS for that purpose and the engines from the CL-44-O.
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Old 24th Nov 2012, 18:57   #83 (permalink)
 
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I thought the Guppy had "the wrong type" of Tyne for the Belfast?
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Old 26th Nov 2012, 07:44   #84 (permalink)
 
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I did hear the Guppy Tynes have been re-united with the Guppy. There appears to have been some work going on of late.
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 17:06   #85 (permalink)
 
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I have found a photograph of a C133 landing at Lajes in January or February 1958. I remember the stir it caused as it was the first time a C133 had landed there.
At the time I thought it didn't look right!

Apologies in advance for the poor quality of the picture. Blame my steam driven Voigtlander.

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Old 4th Dec 2012, 17:31   #86 (permalink)
 
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You might remember big Andy Wilson? Andy did an exchange tour with the USAF on C-133s (which he obviously survived, unlike many others).

I can always remember on our global trainer, one American ATC unit asked him what an SH5 was. Andy responded with the explanation that it was a bit like a C-133 only our one worked!
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 17:35   #87 (permalink)
 
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Yes Jock I do rember Andy.
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 17:41   #88 (permalink)
 
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Did you also know that Andy flew the Liberator, the Hastings and the Belfast with 53 Squadron?
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 17:47   #89 (permalink)
 
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I remember his name from my time on Hastings, before BZN.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 11:30   #90 (permalink)
 
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DH, the 'Guppy' Tynes don't have the water-meth injection which makes them pretty useless for the Belfast in any sort of hot/high conditions at T/O.

And I doubt any sort of CAA anywhere would look at those old Tynes without a complete rebuild.... and who can do that now?
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 21:31   #91 (permalink)
 
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DH, the 'Guppy' Tynes don't have the water-meth injection which makes them pretty useless for the Belfast in any sort of hot/high conditions at T/O.
The Tyne 515's from the Guppy are also air start as opposed to electric starter motors on the Belfast Tyne 12's. Also, different bearer mountings and many other things not compatible. I think Tyne engines are still in use by the Italian air force, so someone somewhere must still be able to rebuild them.

The Belfast was a great aircraft if you wanted to move a packet of RyVita from the UK to Mazira. Eff all range (900 miles) fully loaded. That's why they were all fitted with in flight refuelling probes, which Marshalls removed during the transfer mods for the civilian register.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 14:29   #92 (permalink)
 
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I only flew in a Belfast once, but we used to meet them a lot on the way through to and back from Singapore.

Under-powered crap I thought, but comfortable for the crew - and home to 3 snuggly-fitting Wessex I remember.

How you can build 10 aircraft in the same factory and have them all different is just beyond me . . .
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 15:53   #93 (permalink)
 
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Well, my record was Cold Lake, Alberta to Brize Norton (4303 nautical miles). It took us 13 hours and 30 minutes. I freely admit that we only had a 25,000 lbs load down the back.

My heaviest load was a complete building (right down to the toilet seats and a flag pole) from St Johns, Newfoundland up to Goose Bay, Labrador for the Canadian Department of Transport. (It was the only way to get the building there for the sea never did unfreeze that year). The weight of the building was just under 78,000 lbs.

The Belfast was never designed to carry general freight over long distances. That was what the CL-44 did. It was designed to move indivisible loads like two Puma helicopters or a Sea King. The 80 foot by 12 foot freight bay was the largest available at the time apart from the C-5A. There were no Antonov 124s available for hire in those days.

Most people who were critical of the Belfast never set foot on the bottom rung of the spiral staircase!
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 18:14   #94 (permalink)
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Other indivisible loads that come to mind were those made up of a mix of Abbott Self-Propelled Guns and FV 432 APCs to BAOR in late 1969; all in the 70,000 lb bracket with, as I recall, not exceeding Max Zero Fuel Weight as a planning consideration. And for awkward shaped support equipment on squadron deployments, for example, the aircraft's bulk capacity meant that one Belfast load would normally shift what otherwise needed two Hercs. It was a very handy aircraft in the inventory in its day.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 23:32   #95 (permalink)
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Whilst stationed at RAF Wattisham in the mid 70's the Belfasts used to come in twice a year from Cyprus APC with Lightning missiles and would reverse taxy up the disused to Missile City!

Never thought I'd be working with it again 30 years later!!

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Old 9th Dec 2012, 20:41   #96 (permalink)
 
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And I doubt any sort of CAA anywhere would look at those old Tynes without a complete rebuild.... and who can do that now?
I believe M.T.U. still do it - for a price !!
Be lucky
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Old 13th Feb 2014, 06:14   #97 (permalink)
 
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Anyone have a contact for flying tiger oversize cargo?
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 19:07   #99 (permalink)


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1 plane?

went to the website - they have 1 plane for sale? Not exactly a volume operation.

I was hoping for a DC3 with refurb'ed, modern P&W engines
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