Freight DogsFinally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.
As far as i read on their site rapid command means 5000 hrs ( F/O or CMD) on planes above 55 tonnes and then a certain time with them (1 year or more). As far as I found out they only consider F/O s with 777 ratings and a minimum of 1000-1500 hours for rapid command.
And their application site is (or will be open soon) again for applications , but only for F/O as they have enough DEC s.
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1. A general knowledge test about anything from music to history or science
2. Maths tests
3. Aeronautical knowledge test
4. B777 tech questionnaire
5. English Language test for non-native speakers
6. Various Puzzle tests - IQ type things
7. Psychometric profile test
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great info!
Can you explain what the B777 tech questions are like?
Do they expect you to know the systems? Limitations?
How did you prepare for this?
I know of a EAT 757 TRI/TRE (+15K hours) who applied and was rejected. Most EAT 757 guys I know didn't even bother applying - it was always in the cards that AeroLogic would be crewed from outside both EAT/DHK and LH. The un-official justification (for EAT/DHK crew) would be lack of German skills - the AL flight-deck is fully crewed by German speakers. For LH crew it would entail an erosion of T&Cs.
A previous post mentioned high-time FOs. Yes, there's some of those in AL. But there's a much larger number of younger guys with not much more than the required minimas. Guess what, besides obviously being qualified for the job, they also speak German fluently and are not tainted by LH or DHL experience.
AL is, to a large extent, crewed by former LTU drivers - very experienced and also very nice and easy going guys. As previously mentioned, the CP is ex. LTU, hence the preference. Fair enough, his toy and all that. Hand on heart, who wouldn't?
As for LCAG pilots wanting the spoils, that's a bit harder to fathom. The present route flown by AL is from the Joint Venture. The JV was supposed to end this July, but has been extended on one route (EUR-US) for one more year. 75% of the freight on the present AL route is DHL.
The utilisation of the B777s is, and will continue to be, 5/7th DHL and 2/7th LH, and the costs split likewise.
Future routes (or at least 5/7th of them) will be DHL routes, and will not spawn from any previous LH route. LH may buy positions on a block-space agreement for those route if they wish to do so. This effectively leaves the aeroplanes doing a spot of week-end flying under LH control.
However, MD11F still seem to think it's fair to claim that LCAG pilots are somehow entitled to fly, at least 50% of, an aircraft that is predominantly kept occupied by DHL, flying DHL routes carrying DHL freight (well, at least 77% of the time) paid 77% by DHL.
All I can say to that, is our perceptions of "fair" are somewhat different.
From my perspective, I believe AL should have been crewed by a mixture of DHL and LH crews. I also think that would have been a very interesting experiment, but being professionals and all it could have been made to work. Alas, nobody asked me and so that didn't happen, and such is life.
I tend to agree with SMT in respect of hours not really being an issue. I suspect quite a few of the young Germans candidates who have been accepted won't have many hours at all and some may never have flown anything bigger than a 737 before.
If the EAT guy mentioned above is who I am thinking of, then he's a really good guy (we did our screening tests together). He's not German but his spoken German seemed fluent enough to me.
Aerologic haven't, to my knowledge employed a single pilot from DHL or EAT albeit there are in excess of 300 of us working here in Europe. I think no more than a handful of us were actually screened but we were made to feel welcome during the screening process.
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I suspect quite a few of the young Germans candidates who have been accepted won't have many hours at all and some may never have flown anything bigger than a 737 before.
and what exactly do you want to say with that?
They should take EAT guys with experiance on 767 and A300, while EAT is taking DEC with CRJ hours only direct on the A300?
Nothing of the sort EAM and I'm disappointed that is how you've interpreted it. Whether you are Lufthansa or DHL, no-one has a god-given right to a job there and if you would care to read my earlier posts you'll see that I fully respect Aerologic's decision to recruit whomever they want.
From a factual point of view, and in case anyone still thinks this is a job to be shared amongst DHL & Lufthansa pilots, Aerologic have interviewed low timers and those without long haul experience either, so my point is that no-one should not be deterred from applying!
Ok, got your point. I think the same, everyone is invited to apply.
They are looking for FOs with lots of widebody hours as well as for FOs with low hours. The screening is more than fair, but german is still a requirement.
And sapco, you dont realy think I am with LH, do you? You should read my other posts. Guess you misinterpreted my post, as I did with yours.
I didn't think for one moment you were from LH EAM. Like you, I've been following this thread with interest. Let me wish you good luck if you were one of the lucky ones to get a job there!
Aerologic published their Terms and Conditions on the webside:
aerologic.aero
But as far as i know the conditions are partly negotiable.
(at least where they put you in their scheme)
cheers
Did I miss something here - why is this job so interesting(I am a german native speaker and got enough of widebody command) - something special in the T&Cs? The pay is not really that great for driving a 777, isn`t it? Or are we talking now this crisis talk and everybody should be happy to have a job, then I could at least agree. Still - times will change as they always did and companies will soon creep again in pilots asses just to get a more or less experienced driver for their latest toy, believe me. I did already a few of this cycles (...and yes, I still have a job )
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It's probably interesting because it is pretty much the only german company operating widebodies that hires outside its closed shop (apart from ACG). However i do agree on the T&Cs, those are not really great, even compared to other german companies.
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Eh, why would i? Both other german companies operating widebodies (apart from ACG) only hire only from their own flightschool scheme with a very heavy selection process beforehand and numerous hoops during training which all have to be passed, and even then it is depending on open slots of course. Which means for one outfit that two of them have to share one job and for the other that the only possibility to work is flying Dashs for half the salary than the promised jets.
Great info!
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