Freight DogsFinally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.
As a LH pilot i would like to respond to previous posts.
I’ve been reading this thread and want to clear up something:
We do NOT disrespect any other pilots, from any kind of company.
Our management, either LH or LH cargo, is guilty of outsourcing. Jobs are being created and expansion is taking place in Germany and abroad somewhere else (EMB/B777), while jobs are being cut inside LH (A300/B737/MD11). This is a FACT and we can not accept this. And we won’t accept this.
Sure you can say that all of this is not of this time and that we should be more fair to others, but this is not the issue, we are solely fighting for OUR jobs, not more. This you fellow pilots must understand.
Please check out this short movie, it really gives a good view of the situation. Maybe it helps understanding our position.
Our Union understands our position for sure and i am sure they (we) will take action! Its just a matter of time. I’m really happy to be on this side though, it’s really comfortable.
Why pay pilots more if you can pay less? What's about protecting interests of shareholders? Fire 5% on spot, and offer 25% paycut to the rest, that's how it should work. When market is up again, will be another story.
MD-11F, I dont want to get into this to deep, but LH has sold most of its part of Condor a few year ago, but you still stayed in Condor even the shares of LH were down to 25%, now its 0%, but about 90% are still LH pilots, so with your arguments.....get out of Condor.
I dont want to apply as FO in Condor, I want to apply as CPT....ahhhh no CPTs needed at Condor because of all the LH CPTs who are in Condor.
Buddy if you wanna play the game, play it straight, you cant always change the rules whenever you want it.
@EAM, Condor,
well, I try to write it down again, all LH Pilots return to Mainline on a plan! Lots of new FO´s have been employed already, not belonging to the LH general contract. Some of these guys are high time FO´s. The reason why they are not taking DEC at the moment is, the high time FO´s demand the Captains jobs, and they deserve it. So apply as FO, and if you are a smart guy, maybe you get an upgrade!
Cheers
MD11f
MD-11F, LH pilots are NOT returning on plan, the plan was that most of them return very quick and Condor was looking for 50 DEC, but due to the situation only a few of them will return in the next month so due to this, already selected DEC will not be hired.
But stop this here, talk to your union and see what will happen, but I dont think you will fly the 777F in the next years, but you are flying my routes out of MXP, going to ORD and JFK, these were our routes, so I should get a job on your MD-11
just let them come to the assessment and fail them even if they were perfectly good
I agree, this is not good. I'm not sure if it happened this way, since i dont have any information about this. The one to blame would be LH(I) management, why sending people do to assessments in this kind of situation, purely waste of money..
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so be ready to pack all your stuff and go back to Germany soon
Yes please.. thats the plan.. we never asked for LHI. Who wants to work in a chaos called Italy anyway? Lets hope our managment realizes soon that this outsourcing (LHI, AL) may look cheap in de short run, but in the long run it could get expensive. Especially when not negotiating with us.
@EAM
I understand, you don´t want to understand, but I understand your point, you are looking for a job! Ok! Once again, Condor has a contract with LH for a plan to return the LH workforce to LH. This plan also includes seniority, and open positions at LH. So, at the moment, I think any airline in the world has some kind of trouble! Means very few positions are available at LH, means very few transfers right now, very simple!
Good luck to all looking for a job, but not on our expense, will fight for our jobs!
MD11f
What I've been reading here makes me feel sad because some of it equates on a smaller scale with the sheer bloody greed that caused the world-wide credit-crunch. We are living through rapidly changing times and those who can only think of themselves need to " STOP THEIR SELFISHNESS". It is outrageous and demeaning to witness fellow professional pilots behaving so greedily. Think about it Guys! Think about all the CRM training you received too!
The facts are; Aerologic have set up their own management team some time ago, with two key positions at the top, one went to a Lufthansa guy and the other to a DHL executive. To be fair, they are perfectly entitled to select whomever they think best fits their profile using the management team they have appointed. The job and the aircraft should be fun so instead of fighting over who gets the "lions share of the work" we should instead be wishing all those who actually fit the profile.... GOOD LUCK!
No, no, dont worry, I have a job and I understand your point and I agree on the LHITA topic, but I think you are compleatly wrong on the AL topic.
With Condor I just wanted to show you the other side of the medal about your point with the 50% of LH in AL. But you want to change the rules as it serves best for you. I wish you good luck, but I still dont think you gonna fly 777F within the next 3-4 years.
You should try the chinese 747F
Read in a different forum that 'you can't change the the laws of economics'.
These rules will eventually be applied in Germany as well.
I'm sorry to I burst your bubble MD11F, but fact is that the t7f's in LEJ are already flying (saw it in HKG).
How many LH crews are with them so far ?
How many will be working there in the future ?
Your VC will not stop this simply because LHC will get the right equipment for the right price. This unfortunately is the main interest these days.
I wouldn't be to worried. I agree that it's sad to see the MD11s go but all the crews will keep their jobs eventhough you'll 'only' be flying SLF again. Believe me, there're plenty of crews in Europe with 'real problems'.
As for Condor - almost a similar thing. If it doesn't belong to the LH club anylonger - why should the LH price tag come with it ? Try to explain that to the beancounters.
I don't like these developements either - it'll be very tough to stop them (= the guys running around in 500$ shoes prentending that the world would stop turning without them).
So keep trying - but don't be to disappointed if it doesn't go your way this time.
I guess the last screenings were in May, and as far as I know the next ones will start in August. I heard (not confirmed) that they are looking for the moment only for 777 F/O s with a rating as they have anogh guys for the left seat !
Would also be happy to get an update on the screening here if somebody has done it in the last months. For the rest, there are already a few posts here that describe it briefly!
And guys.....If you are LH, AB or whatever.....be happy at your jobs....if you are not - dont cry, change ! I think with the ongoing recession it is hard enough to find jobs and we are getting f***** more and more everyday with FDR and paycuts, but the managers still get their bonus even if the company lost money !
I miss the times when there have been strong unions, when we fighted together for our rights !
Is it true that Aerologic hired a bunch of LTU A330/A320 pilots initially? I heard the CP was ex LTU. About how many have been hired from the DHL 757 operation? I presume Germans from Qatar and Emirates (with 777 ratings) will be hot prospects for AL.
Wow - that would be depressing. What do the junior LTU pilots who were hired have that the DHL pilots don't have (beyond a connection with the former LTU CP)? I guess having Space Shuttle experience wouldn't hurt either...
Anyone know where other AeroLogic pilots have been hired from beyond LTU? Do those pilots all have 777 ratings?
More surprising is that of the DHK pilots who applied (the vast majority) I know of only 3 invited to selection days. Of those, only 2 were able to attend and the results were as stated above.
It would be very interesting to hear what the criteria for selection REALLY are.
As far as I know the initial crews were hired ex LTU very high time ex 767/ MD11/ 330 CDR, FO side high time as well (ca. 10.000hrs) for rapid command, some external CDRs with 777 experience, some high time Austrian FOs 777 rated, some high time 737 FOs for right seat as well.
Interesting. Not surprising about the Austrian FOs - it would be nice to get some better route variety with AeroLogic and Austrian is not doing that great financially at this moment. Sounds like some high-time 737 FOs got lucky...
Is it fair to assume that having Boeing time (either 737, 767 or 777) was critical to being considered for those hired or were there LTU Airbus drivers (i.e., FOs) with no Boeing time who were also hired? Meanwhile, DHL 757 drivers weren't considered despite their Boeing time. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
hi iver,
sorry no information on the dhl situation. maybe company politics involved. rapid means -depending on previous experience -upgrade between aircraft 3 and 8, i have heared.
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