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Old 15th Jul 2008, 05:04   #1 (permalink)
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Lockheed Electra

Our company has the opportunity to purchase 4 Lockheed L188 freighters, and we just might put 'em to work, if certain conditions are met.

Does anyone have the typical fuel consumption in climb and cruise?
Also, max payload would be helpful.

Just might be able to put a few crews to work if the numbers pan out...especially fuel cost.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 09:56   #2 (permalink)
 
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Call Atlantic Airlines in Coventry UK, I think they operate Electras
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You can email them at CharterSales@AtlanticAirlines.co.uk

They currently operate 6 examples of the L188 here in Europe.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 10:34   #4 (permalink)
 
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From what I can remember they will burn approx. 3000 to 4000 lbs an hour at cruise (average total) and can carry nearly 40,000 lbs of cargo.
Still one of my favorite aircraft and will fly for ever if they are maintained.
If you don't stay on top of the maintenance they will kick your butt. They are not hard to maintain but again don't let them get ahead of you.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 11:43   #5 (permalink)

 
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Our company has the opportunity to purchase 4 Lockheed L188 freighters,
Two crew or three crew?
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Forget,

As far as I know, the 2 man crew is a UK CAA dispensation, not sure if the FAA ever bought into it.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 13:44   #7 (permalink)
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As far as I know, the 2 man crew is a UK CAA dispensation, not sure if the FAA ever bought into it.
No, the FAA never did.
In FAA-land, three FD crew, minimum.
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See 'Reeve Illusion'. Don't ask.
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With a typical load the fuel burn was 5000Lb for the first hour and 4000Lb for each hour after that.

I have to agree with all that Lowrider says, it is still the best airliner that I have flown for the pure pleasure of hand flying.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 20:06   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info, folks.
We have sent out our tech rep to have a look at the aircraft, and he is an Electra maintenance expert, from the ONA days....long ago.

*ONA, Overseas National Airways, a very long time Electra operator.
They made a pile of dough with these airplanes....perhaps, in these times of higher fuel costs, they can be put back to work, earning their keep.
Sure hope so.
Find a niche...and fill it.
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Two crew Electra's, they must be crazy! They are were not designed to fly without a FE.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 21:06   #12 (permalink)

 
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They are were not designed to fly without a FE.
Correct. Then they were re-designed to fly without a FE.
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I've seen Atlantic Electras are 2-crew with modified cockpit. Is that a 3-rd party STC, not Lockheed?
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Do these planes have Hamilton Standard props or Aero Products Props?

There is an outfit in Jacksonville Florida called Merc Air I believe, that is run by Don Deyo who still does maintenance on Electra's and would be my choice to evaluate the aircraft. He still conducts training courses on the aircraft and overhauls parts.
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411A,,
Is the proposed ops in the U.S.? There may be a market for it.
Drop me a line as I have a few ideas on the matter.
I am a Logistics, Transportation consultant in my spare time.
SFD.
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Errrr....

by "2 crew" I hope he means Captain and Flight Engineer...

anything else would be, well, silly.

Cheers...FD...
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Old 16th Jul 2008, 11:37   #18 (permalink)
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A Google map search of KYIP (perhaps should be renamed KRIP) shows a bunch of Electras lined up with several DC8s - Zantop logo type. Bet they have the information you're after although at the current rate of bankruptcy Zantop may well have gone the way of the dinosaur should the picture not be somewhat recent.

Edit: After a second look, one of the DC8s is a cannibalized TransCon and some of the the Electras are missing engines and props. It would seem that the grim reaper of economic viability has left his mark and that Google has photographed a boneyard.

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Old 16th Jul 2008, 11:41   #19 (permalink)
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Errrr....

by "2 crew" I hope he means Captain and Flight Engineer...

anything else would be, well, silly.

Cheers...FD...
Errrr....surely you mean Captain and Second Officer? Anything else would be, well, totally redundant.
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I totally agree with flight detent, it's suicide to fly an Electra without FE!
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