Expressflight

G-AYIM was rolled out of Air Livery at SEN today with Janes Aviation titles.

Ballymoss

Or perhaps Phoenix Nights...........Brian Potter Airlines (Jerry, you've broke the bloody door!)

Rgds
The Moss

straightnotlevel

any photos anywhere of paint job??

Expressflight

I don't know of any available photos at the moment, but I'm told by one source it is resplendent in the full colour scheme as shown on the Janes Aviation website, but someone else says that it is all white with titling only! Clarification anyone?

exloadie

maybe the sound of whinning drats will be heard in Liverpool again?

dada

drat and double drat

bermudatriangle

with the demise of euromanx,there must be a need for a papers and kippers run once a day ! worth basing a budgie at john lennon ?? maybe not...tough times ahead for for an avgas guzzling 748.can't help thinking that another type might be a better long term option...but who am i to comment.

Nearly There

748s are JetA1, so maybe not tough times ahead as you predict

bermudatriangle

fuel is fuel...costs are all the same.....just believe 748's belong in an aviation museum..lots more fuel efficient hulls available.why waste time training crews to operate obselete aircraft?if janes is to compete in the freight market,upto date aircraft are a must.

Nearly There

But bear in mind, Janes know the 748 inside out and back to front, have in house engineering, a bloody big stock of spares, 748 type rated crew and bucket loads of experience.
As you say fuel is fuel, but its not only fuel you have to look at here. Surely its more cost effective, especially with a sart up, to work with what you have and reduce costs in other areas as above then why not stick with it, they do there job well for the environment they operate in.

Say again s l o w l y

There isn't much around to touch the Budgie, especially when you take into account the experience of operating the type.

The only other option is something like an ATR and the hull costs are much higher to start with.

It's not a glamourous machine, but it does do the job. The things that will kill old aircraft off are avionics upgrades.

bermudatriangle

concerned that post office contracts specify jet/all weather capability...budgie with no autopilot,poor bad weather performance/cat1 etc...just not the machine for the current market...let's face it,it's 40 years old !!!

Expressflight

While fuel costs will be greater for any given sector on the 748 than the ATP for example (I believe the former burns around 1100 l/hr and the latter 900 l/hr), the fixed costs will be much lower. For low utilisation contracts or ad hoc work Janes should still be able to offer attractive rates for that reason, plus the fact that they should be able to run a lean, efficient operation given their experience with the type.

I say good luck to them.

bermudatriangle

i wish them every success as well,just hope the 748 is a good long term aeroplane.can't help thinking a more modern type would ensure greater flexibility with contracts.

SWBKCB

Pic available on the Skyliner site - all white with large blue titles

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/view...LC=&picid=4742

boredcounter

748 seems the obvious choice for Janes. Has any idea been made available yet regarding the contracts? Fuel burn in the right area of operation is not a concern, it will be factored in to the contract price, or bought by the charterer. Hull value of near to nil makes for a low bid price, more than equating to a good overall package price.

In the world of express package Ops, the network I work for has down sized a lot of feeder routes to perfectly adequate aircraft types, yet will happily throw a 757 at turboprop routes with only 5 tonne of freight, where CATII/IIIA/B capability required (More to loose than the cost differential)

Find the right contracts and there is (happily) life in the 748 yet.

Never worked for Janes, 748, or Emerald or the 'new' Janes, but had the pleasure of working Ops with the Budgie, it is a great machine. Long may it and Janes continue.

supersnake

i had the pleasue to work with the hs748 for nearly ten years on the ramp at liverpool got to no all the emerlds crew and opps well.,gayim looks good in its new colours good luck in the new venture

Skystar320

A 748 burns approx 780kilo's a fuel an hour, but in hindsight we use 800kilo's an hour...

jungle juice

Skystar320,
What do you operate?

jungle juice

Skystar320,
Thanks for the answer but I think you are confused!

I saw this thread and was thinking about the HS748 I flew to Vanuatu when it was New Hebrides back in the late 60's.Is this the same aircraft updated and re-engined?
It doesn't seem possible.