Jade Cargo

[gyro4]

looking for some info on rosters, number of days off ,hotels downroute, general working conditions now that a new management team has taken over. thanks.

[Coffee at 4 AM]

wait and see

The fact that you have not received any answers yet indicates that Jade is still very elusive with information.
With Chinese New Year on, it will all take longer anyway. When you deal with that culture, patience and nonjudgement will get you further than our western approach of asking 100 questions at one time and open emotions.
What I heard is that only 6 canididates passed the interviews in December 2007. One of which supposedly already took a job in HKG with Hong Kong Airlines, so thats 5 left out of 32. The pass rates equates to 19%...... it is a tough week and when you go there come with an open mind.
As to rostering, commuter packages, school and housing allowances and LOL there are still many questions, and I hope Jade will eventually put more light on these issues for all.

[rush21122]

Jade Upgrade

Does anyone know about the upgrade policy at Jade? I know they have a program set up where you go to Shenzhen Airlines and then transfer back to Jade. I have heard "rumors" that once you sign that contract as a FO, you are stuck and they will hire Capt. before upgrading an FO who is ready.

[gyro4]

Obviously, it still looks like Jade is a bit of a mystery.

[tflier]

Jade assessment

First of all guys don't shot me down, I've done a search and come up with nought.
Does anyone have any info on the ICAO test, and sim profile for captain applicants. Am off to Shenzen next month, and was looking for a heads up. Anything about the whole process would be great, by the way I wear glasses, how does this affect the so called 'astronaut' medical?
Thanks guys, and good luck to you all.

[rush21122]

jade Screening

I was scheduled to attend the next screening. Then I was put on hold because my ATPL with 747 type had a limitation of Circl. appr.-VMC only. they said that was a problem. I also submitted a FAA temp. certificate because I just had a 757 type added. They prefer prefer the Wright Bros. permanent card.

[MaxBlow]

Jade

I heard that AAI sent crews to China to fly the Jade machines as 2 of their own had to be repaired.
The new paydeal still sucks and it's good to see that only a few guys accept to fly/work for pocket money

[Willit Run]

I was offered an interview, even with the "VFR circling approach only" on my licence. The pay ain't bad, but having to work 20 or 21 days a month for that pay, ain't so great a deal. I figured that if i stayed where I'm at, and worked the extra 4 days, (to bring me to 21) I could make within $1000 of what Jade offered.

I have the most recent Jade offer for captains if anyone wants it, but be advised that it can change in a chinese second.
They have obviously tried to make the T&C's more palletable, but they are not enough to make me jump ship, even for the -400 rating.

The amaount they offer for intl. health insurance, is not enough to cover the cost. If i wanted to work in an office, I could get an office job, but thats not why I got into flying. I don't want to work in an office.

I suppose if you needed the job, and they said yes, i would go; but its not enough to entice me just yet.

[IGS13]

zoner:

was the jade deal an "internal" announcement at evergreen? i haven't seen anything else online or in the press yet.

[Zoner]

Yes it was. The bid sheets are out.

[4 smoking barrels]

New Contract sucks

a word of caution to those wanting to join this company. Jade's new contract touted as progressive is nothing more than a blatant deception to attract unsuspecting pilots. You will be hit with a Chinese tax as high as 45% and those taking the commuting contract can expect to have a progressively debilitating and eroding contract due to a fixed rate of the RMB to USD adjusted every month. What you see attractive as gross figures are not what you can expect and the worst part is,THE MANAGEMENT ARE ELUSIVE AND WILL NOT DIVULGE TAX ISSUES UNTIL YOU ARE WELL AND TRULY IN.
STAY AWAY!!!!

[wotsitdoin]

Commuting contract?

Hi,
After the initial excitement of flying a shiny 744 and living somewhere different, the reality is you're living in a highly populated, heavily polluted city in communist China and a good commuter contract is essential for the longevity of some of its foriegn pilots. Jades contract falls short, especially beind linked to the USD. Current rate is 7.1 RMB/USD, I've heard it could be 6 RMB/USD by years end, a 15% reduction in effective pay( Jade says it will cover 50% of any loss, but it's still a loss). This combined with "commuters" getting less benefits than the "residents" makes it unattractive, and it's all for the PRIVILEGE of having 8 days off in a row. I wont say stay away, but do your sums and homework carefully,
Thanks

[valleydriver]

Jade Questions

Hello all,

I am scheduled for a Jade interview at the end of June 08 and stumbled upon this thread. Does anyone have any definitive answers about days on duty? commuting package? pay - specific to that 45% chinese tax I just read about, in lay terms, what do you actually get paid as an FO after taxes? the contract that is posted on the website seems ambiguous to me. quality of life? how many pilots are they hiring, have been hiring, etc? Anything might help before I drop a few grand trying to get there, expedite a visa, alienate my family, etc...

i.e. what am i getting myself into here?

any insight is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

[Capt Vertigo]

Hi there!

Don't waste your time.. They got the Oasis rated guys and work it out how many crew would they need with only 6 aircrafts..???

Have a look at their website..... no recruitment..

However good luck!!!

Happy landings.

[skyryder]

Well, I was offered a Cruise Command position recently and I know a couple of items. They are still screening for pilots, as I have friends that were invited in both May and June. One could not make the June date and they asked to come in July. I suspect the DEC jobs are gone, as a result of the Oasis collapase, but who knows. I do know the recent wet lease to the Singapore cargo carrier will keep the 6th aircraft busy for at least a year and the Jade guys are flying it.
I have heard the fail rate at the screening is high, but don't have hard facts. I don't think some people take the physcological part very serious, and Jade puts a lot of stock in it.
I am still trying to get some answers about the rostering, etc. and will have to have them before I sign on.
My opinion about them is the current management team knows how to run a cargo airline and with the European backing it could turn out very well. Lufthansa Cargo is a big operator and can steer a lot of business their way as back haul into China. Another up side is you are working for them and not a contractor per se.
I am sure there are a lot of down sides, but will try to post what I find out along the way.

[wotsitdoin]

Just a couple of less desirable aspects of Jade. Firstly, the 2 week roster we get isn't worth the paper it's written on. They will change your days off regularly with minimum notice (only by email) which makes it virtually impossible to plan a life and if your a commuter, very hard to book flights home. Jades only priority is to get planes airbourne, the pilots roster is a very distant second. After many requests, there is still no seniority list. I think this is so they can bring in as many direct entry Captains/Cruise Captain without the FO's having a foot to stand on, so if you come as an FO, be prepared for a LONG wait for Command. If you come to Jade, have a lot of savings in the bank as you possibly could be on 20/50/70 % of your pay for quite a while as they try and get you line checked. Some get trained quick, some slow, it's very hit and miss. On a good note, they no longer connect the commuters pay to the US dollar. All I can say is that Jade's a stable job (if the chinese doctors reniew your medical).There are better out there, and worse.

Thanks

[LarryDCableGuy]

You will get 20% of your regular salary until you submitted all the required paper works (police clearance, previous employer background check, etc.); then you'll get 50% of your regular salary until you get the crew pass and resident card and then you'll get 70% of your regular salary until you get your chinese ATPL and after passing the line check.

[jpu0509]

Jade Cargo, Bank Guarantee

Does anyone know how the bank guarantee for Jade is secured? They told me it is about 50k USD, that seems like more money than I could get approved for. To much school debt.

[Paladini]

JPU0509

Where, perchance did you get the $50K figure for the 744 type rating? From Jade?

Does anyone else have a current figure?

[Kato747]

What's the current pay rate for PICC with Jade?