Jade Cargo
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Check the Jade website. Jade Cargo International - Flight Schedules
Overnights BCN, FRA, AMS, DXB, PVG, SZX and sometimes LUX
Duty days run between 17-20 hrs. Sometimes longer.
Domestic inside China would be much less.
Overnights BCN, FRA, AMS, DXB, PVG, SZX and sometimes LUX
Duty days run between 17-20 hrs. Sometimes longer.
Domestic inside China would be much less.
Join Date: May 2007
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Hi. Can anyone confirm the rumour that South African passport holders can not be employed by Chinese airlines. Something to do with the issuing of airport security passes - we are bad people apparently.
I understand there are currently a few fellow South Africans with Jade but apparently this rule has been recently introduced which precludes further recruitment by any airline.
Does anyone know if there is a way round this bearing in mind that many of us do not qualify for other passports.
Thanks.
I understand there are currently a few fellow South Africans with Jade but apparently this rule has been recently introduced which precludes further recruitment by any airline.
Does anyone know if there is a way round this bearing in mind that many of us do not qualify for other passports.
Thanks.
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The type of roster you fly is greatly influenced by the type of contract you sign. A commuter can expect to be on the road for about 20 days out of the month, of course depending on when your days off fall you could be away for as much as 40 days. You are allowed to REQUEST your days off, but there is absolutely no guarantee they will be granted.
The hotels are pretty good to very nice in all the cities where there are "normal" layovers. Of course there are always a few glitches in the system. You can expect to D/H 3-5 times a month and the current guarantee of 80 hrs, is NOT A CONTRACTUAL guarantee, but has been in effective for the last year.
An average day is 12-15 flights hours and 16-20 hrs of duty with 2 sectors. This is normally with a 3 pilot crew when it is allowed by regulation.
As with any cargo operation, the roster is subject to change and delays are not uncommon.
As has been announced, the CEO is leaving to accept a position on the BOD of Lufthansa, and his replacement has yet to be named.
The salaries noted in the contract are BEFORE taxes and paid in RMB, which can be problematic at times. You can expect to pay an effective tax rate of 24-40% (the higher number is only with a lot of overtime flying), and the allowances are not taxed.
The hotels are pretty good to very nice in all the cities where there are "normal" layovers. Of course there are always a few glitches in the system. You can expect to D/H 3-5 times a month and the current guarantee of 80 hrs, is NOT A CONTRACTUAL guarantee, but has been in effective for the last year.
An average day is 12-15 flights hours and 16-20 hrs of duty with 2 sectors. This is normally with a 3 pilot crew when it is allowed by regulation.
As with any cargo operation, the roster is subject to change and delays are not uncommon.
As has been announced, the CEO is leaving to accept a position on the BOD of Lufthansa, and his replacement has yet to be named.
The salaries noted in the contract are BEFORE taxes and paid in RMB, which can be problematic at times. You can expect to pay an effective tax rate of 24-40% (the higher number is only with a lot of overtime flying), and the allowances are not taxed.
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Jade
As it turns out the company is only offering resident contracts from now on. I did the Dec Screening, passed, and now they are saying that no commuting anymore for new joiners.
Anybody else in the same situation?
Cheers,
Upspeed.
Anybody else in the same situation?
Cheers,
Upspeed.
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The Situation
Anyone considering coming here be sure you do your research and talk to someone that works here. Moral is sinking to new lows daily.
The company is currently at a point where many 3-contracts (and bonds) will be up and many are expecting a rather large exodus within the next months as this begins to happen. It was become so desperate for the company, that they are now even bonding loyal, current, long-term employees when they are given their upgrades. 120,000-128,000RMB is what the bond is, and an additional 3 years of commitment.
Sure, whatever, another bond to be a PIC on a 744 sounds fine, right? But think about this: what does it say about a company and how they treat their employees when they must bond current and loyal pilots? Really think about it.
Yes, the days are long, the sectors are mostly 2, sometimes 3 PER DAY with minimum rest and deadheads surrounding the trips. One often wonders and grumbles about this (does anyone else fly this way??) and in the end, yes, it is all legal.
The pay is good, but at the end of the day, when a pilot is treated as an expendable machine "because we earn so much", one must wonder if it is really worth it. Medical checks are often failed, due largely in part to our declining health over the months and years. Health and family life suffer (a lot), extreme fatigue is common to the point where many believe safety is an issue. In a cargo only airline, $hould $afety $till come fir$t?
Jade Cargo is planning on network expansion. The US market is recovering, more and more airlines are hiring and also upping their salaries to meet the higher standard that has been set in Asia. If Jade Cargo wants to grow, remain competitive as an employer, retain it's employees and attract new ones, the company must come to terms with making this airline one that a pilot WANTS to work at, is PROUD of working at, and therefore will stay at on his own accord.
Until then, when the flood gates open and the water recedes, there may not be many of us left.
The company is currently at a point where many 3-contracts (and bonds) will be up and many are expecting a rather large exodus within the next months as this begins to happen. It was become so desperate for the company, that they are now even bonding loyal, current, long-term employees when they are given their upgrades. 120,000-128,000RMB is what the bond is, and an additional 3 years of commitment.
Sure, whatever, another bond to be a PIC on a 744 sounds fine, right? But think about this: what does it say about a company and how they treat their employees when they must bond current and loyal pilots? Really think about it.
Yes, the days are long, the sectors are mostly 2, sometimes 3 PER DAY with minimum rest and deadheads surrounding the trips. One often wonders and grumbles about this (does anyone else fly this way??) and in the end, yes, it is all legal.
The pay is good, but at the end of the day, when a pilot is treated as an expendable machine "because we earn so much", one must wonder if it is really worth it. Medical checks are often failed, due largely in part to our declining health over the months and years. Health and family life suffer (a lot), extreme fatigue is common to the point where many believe safety is an issue. In a cargo only airline, $hould $afety $till come fir$t?
Jade Cargo is planning on network expansion. The US market is recovering, more and more airlines are hiring and also upping their salaries to meet the higher standard that has been set in Asia. If Jade Cargo wants to grow, remain competitive as an employer, retain it's employees and attract new ones, the company must come to terms with making this airline one that a pilot WANTS to work at, is PROUD of working at, and therefore will stay at on his own accord.
Until then, when the flood gates open and the water recedes, there may not be many of us left.
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I can not give a personal opinion for I do not work for them...at least yet...but I wouldn't say that the company lied to us...they did make it very clear at the end of the screening process that they we're giving preference for residents. So it was just a disapointment to know they are not offering commuting contracts at the moment. I sure hope that they will change their kinds on this in the near future.
Anybody else got offered a contract?
Cheers.
Anybody else got offered a contract?
Cheers.
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Absolutely right. They don't tell you much, and usually not until you ask for it, and then it's definitely not in your favor. The deadheading thing here is really unbearable. May not sound that bad, but talk to anyone who is here and they'll tell you. 8-9 hours from SZX to PVG is common. Then it's 8 hours rest and off you go on a 2 leg trip to europe with another deadhead at the other end (immediately after you land), solid 18 hours duty with a few hours sleep before, if you were lucky and not too angry to even sleep.
Good luck to all who may come here. Last I heard was that the last 2 recruiting sessions resulted in ZERO new pilots at Jade. Hmmm, think about that one, management.
Good luck to all who may come here. Last I heard was that the last 2 recruiting sessions resulted in ZERO new pilots at Jade. Hmmm, think about that one, management.
Join Date: Mar 2009
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I just heard that Jade is calling guys up that interviewed last December, were not offered a commuting contract, are now being offered a commuting contract. I guess when nobody accepted the resident contract, they had to do something.
After tax pay for an FO, including the housing and per diem is right around 65,000 RMB. If you have a bond, you can subtract about 15000 RMB per month for 24 months and then they hold on to it until you complete your contract and give it back to you. Do they give you interest? No. Now these numbers are close but not exact so don't slam me if I'm off a couple hundred dollars.
They are interviewing again, good luck if you decide to make that choice.....
After tax pay for an FO, including the housing and per diem is right around 65,000 RMB. If you have a bond, you can subtract about 15000 RMB per month for 24 months and then they hold on to it until you complete your contract and give it back to you. Do they give you interest? No. Now these numbers are close but not exact so don't slam me if I'm off a couple hundred dollars.
They are interviewing again, good luck if you decide to make that choice.....
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4000 hrs. and an ATPL with a valid Boeing or Airbus PIC typerating. Most candidates seem to have more than the minimum requirement, and are quite experienced. A recomendation from a Jade pilot is an advantage.
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Minimum for an FO is:
1000 TT
First class med
ATPL no restrictions
Airbus or boeing type preferred but I know of many guy that got on without it.
Age 57 or older need b744 type.
The recommendation from a pilot really isnt necessary and I received a bad boy from the DO when I did recommend as was told they don't want outside influence. I still have the email. So who knows. Good luck.
1000 TT
First class med
ATPL no restrictions
Airbus or boeing type preferred but I know of many guy that got on without it.
Age 57 or older need b744 type.
The recommendation from a pilot really isnt necessary and I received a bad boy from the DO when I did recommend as was told they don't want outside influence. I still have the email. So who knows. Good luck.
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I might have been mistaken about the requirements, and I cannot find them on the webpage any more.
A few weeks ago I received a mail from the company(and yes, I have a copy ;-), asking us to forward our recommendations of friends and former colleques. I did recommend two, and they both were called for screening, but that could be a coincidense since both are very experienced.
But I agree, reqruitement seems difficult these days, to the advantage for everybody with a license to fly.
A few weeks ago I received a mail from the company(and yes, I have a copy ;-), asking us to forward our recommendations of friends and former colleques. I did recommend two, and they both were called for screening, but that could be a coincidense since both are very experienced.
But I agree, reqruitement seems difficult these days, to the advantage for everybody with a license to fly.
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I'm glad to hear that they are taking recommendations. Their attitude was more than a little negative about that before. Since the minimum requirements change all the time, I would say that if a person has some solid flying experience and not just some time on a C172, to do the online application. I got those minimums off the crew web and that was yesterday so probably still there. The only difference with the picc requirements was the need for 500 pic on a 25t a/c or more and 4000 hrs tt.
I know they need guys so if interested, give it a try. There are a few guys here that can give you some help prep for the interview when that time arrives. It's not a walk in the park and requires some prep. Good Luck!
I know they need guys so if interested, give it a try. There are a few guys here that can give you some help prep for the interview when that time arrives. It's not a walk in the park and requires some prep. Good Luck!
Hi all. I got an Interview coming up on the 16th of May. Any help or pointers in the right direction would be great !!!!!
Another question. Is there any change of an upgrade down the line ?
It's not much use going as an FO if there is no way of advancement.
Any toughts ????
Another question. Is there any change of an upgrade down the line ?
It's not much use going as an FO if there is no way of advancement.
Any toughts ????
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Congratulations on the interview and if you PM me, I'll be happy to discuss what I remember about the interview. As far as upgrade, in this business, everything is subject to change at anytime. When I joined, there was no upgrade but now there is and they have upgraded a couple guys BUT, the chance to upgrade as an FO is very difficult if not impossible. I've heard that several FO's have resigned in the past couple months because of this. Jade has made the effort but the caac is putting up the wall. If you're coming to Jade for a few years experience and some pretty good pay, then great. If you have dreams of coming as an FO and retiring as a Captain, you might be disillusioned. However, as I mentioned, change could happen anytime.
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Jade upgrades
I would agree with most of what been said here. There are a couple of things that haven't been mentioned. Let's face it with 130 pilots and six aircraft, it will be a LONG time to upgrade unless they add to the fleet. Also right now, as far as I know, no one has made the transition from F/O to Capt. All the upgraded pilots are from the PICC ranks with prior PIC time in "large" aircraft. Unless there is some major changes in the CAAC regs and interpretation of those regs it will remain an uphill struggle to move from F/O to Capt.
They have just released a "new" Employment Agreement, and I suspect that all new pilots will have to sign it. If I were offered an contract, I would read carefully the agreement with the point of view that every thing will be done to enhance the company's position as it pertains to the agreement. In other words, it will be interpreted to the company's benefit in every way. I have also heard that they are doing everything possible to not offer commuting contracts at this time, so be aware of that as well.
There is a new CEO, but he has only been in place for 2 weeks, so hard to know what he will bring to the table. I know the article about seeking additional capital has caused some concern, but I am under the impression that the current shareholders have infused the desired amount of capital into the company recently.
There have been a number of F/O's resign recently because of the inability to upgrade, and I suspect that trend to continue in the near future. Many of them have recently completed the 3 year contract and are moving on to places they will have a shot at Capt in the forseeable future.
Now for the good part. The guys are great to work with and it is a diverse group, the job itself is not an easy one, because they tend to go to the max hours/sectors allowed and there a lot of long days.
I do suspect they will be screening for a while as they continue to lose pilots to other operators. The monetary advantage Jade offered 3-4 years ago is eroding quickly as others offer contracts with as much money and better (sic) working conditions.
The earlier poster is correct, the screening is not something to be taken lightly, and while part of it is not something you can study for, it is important to be ready to take the CAAC ATPL exam. I would also say that given the recent scrutiny of logbooks, etc. one should have their paperwork in good order and be able to "certify" their experience. I hope this helps give a little perspective, but remember it is only my opinion.
They have just released a "new" Employment Agreement, and I suspect that all new pilots will have to sign it. If I were offered an contract, I would read carefully the agreement with the point of view that every thing will be done to enhance the company's position as it pertains to the agreement. In other words, it will be interpreted to the company's benefit in every way. I have also heard that they are doing everything possible to not offer commuting contracts at this time, so be aware of that as well.
There is a new CEO, but he has only been in place for 2 weeks, so hard to know what he will bring to the table. I know the article about seeking additional capital has caused some concern, but I am under the impression that the current shareholders have infused the desired amount of capital into the company recently.
There have been a number of F/O's resign recently because of the inability to upgrade, and I suspect that trend to continue in the near future. Many of them have recently completed the 3 year contract and are moving on to places they will have a shot at Capt in the forseeable future.
Now for the good part. The guys are great to work with and it is a diverse group, the job itself is not an easy one, because they tend to go to the max hours/sectors allowed and there a lot of long days.
I do suspect they will be screening for a while as they continue to lose pilots to other operators. The monetary advantage Jade offered 3-4 years ago is eroding quickly as others offer contracts with as much money and better (sic) working conditions.
The earlier poster is correct, the screening is not something to be taken lightly, and while part of it is not something you can study for, it is important to be ready to take the CAAC ATPL exam. I would also say that given the recent scrutiny of logbooks, etc. one should have their paperwork in good order and be able to "certify" their experience. I hope this helps give a little perspective, but remember it is only my opinion.