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The big merged L1011 thread

Old 20th Jul 2007, 22:23
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Actually, Kitaro Kid, the airplane you noticed was a -100 series, and the old registration was EX-, not LX-...and yes we know all about this.
Pax operation, not cargo.
The 9G registration goes on shortly. It is a old TWA airplane, and quite a nice one, at that.
New charter airline that appears to be rather well funded, considering some of the previous efforts.
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 01:10
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Without having to do a search 411, excactly what country is this?
9G? for the AOC
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 01:27
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9G is Ghana.
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 07:54
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9G - was recently downgraded to a class 2 registry - but still at this stage hardly a registry of convenience. Cant see how a combination of 9G registry and ancient L1011 probably with lacking maintenance records and dubious AMO is going to fly freely and unhindered into the EU. Think again.

It seems if Ghana is fast becoming the new African registry of convenience (EU take note!) after all the others have been banned. With their recent downgrading they must take care not to land up completely banned by the EU before long.
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 11:08
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New Cargo out of Cyprus

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Saudia can never sell their aircraft.....as they never bought them....they were a gift from Allah.
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 12:11
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9G - was recently downgraded to a class 2 registry - but still at this stage hardly a registry of convenience. Cant see how a combination of 9G registry and ancient L1011 probably with lacking maintenance records and dubious AMO is going to fly freely and unhindered into the EU. Think again.
Doesn't make any difference with this particular operator as it will not be flying to the EU.

Oddly enough, one might be surprised at the profits to be made by avoiding the EU altogether.
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Actually, Kitaro Kid, the airplane you noticed was a -100 series, and the old registration was EX-, not LX-...
Could this be S/N 1201 seen at Istanbul - Sabiha Gokcen (SAW / LTFJ) in March 2007. It was re-registered EX-102 ; all white ; 2 red stripes no titles. The Aircraft was operating for Reem Air. 1201 was also seen in May 2007 stored at Ras al-Khaimah. This is the former 5X-AAL of Almidon Aviation.

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According to Lockheed's records, L-1011 s/n 1201 was "attrited" (scraped) sometime in second half of 2006. This may or may not be true as Lockheed records are only as good as the reporting by the owner/operators. However, the majority of the current L-1011 owner/operators do not have a good track record on reporting things like hours and cycles and aircraft status, to Lockheed.
Scrapped in 2nd half of 2006 and extant at Ras al-Khaimah in May 2007. The thick plottens somewhat
Your comments and observations much appreciated.
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 13:21
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Earl,
The complete Saudi fleet has been sold ( Yes they finally found the right guy to "facilate" the deal.
According to LAC the new owner is Regency Projects

I heard they have already broken a couple up for spares but are getting at least 4 ready to fly

Any idea who the Warsaw operator is?
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 14:15
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Could this be S/N 1201 seen at Istanbul - Sabiha Gokcen (SAW / LTFJ) in March 2007. It was re-registered EX-102 ; all white ; 2 red stripes no titles. The Aircraft was operating for Reem Air. 1201 was also seen in May 2007 stored at Ras al-Khaimah. This is the former 5X-AAL of Almidon Aviation.

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According to Lockheed's records, L-1011 s/n 1201 was "attrited" (scraped) sometime in second half of 2006. This may or may not be true as Lockheed records are only as good as the reporting by the owner/operators. However, the majority of the current L-1011 owner/operators do not have a good track record on reporting things like hours and cycles and aircraft status, to Lockheed.
Scrapped in 2nd half of 2006 and extant at Ras al-Khaimah in May 2007. The thick plottens somewhat
Your comments and observations much appreciated.
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This machine s/n 1201 certainly justifies closer scrutiny and attention if records indicate that it was scrapped during the latter half of 2006, while in reality it was brought to life with a "paperwork" return-to-service at Greensboro and now masquarading as an aircraft with a fresh C-Check notwithstanding last C-Check almost 6/7 years ago.

It was bastardised into a so-called bulkloader at a backwater airport in Mafekeng South Africa by unqualified Russian Antonov-26 engineers, no STC for work and conversion, and has no 9-G bulkhead or net.

How does the first class CAA of the UAE, or even that of Turkey (if its there) allow such to fly?
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Old 21st Jul 2007, 14:39
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The one in Warsaw is GJ doing ACMI contract for the locals.
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Old 22nd Jul 2007, 00:24
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Could this be S/N 1201 seen at Istanbul - Sabiha Gokcen (SAW / LTFJ) in March 2007. It was re-registered EX-102 ; all white ; 2 red stripes no titles. The Aircraft was operating for Reem Air. 1201 was also seen in May 2007 stored at Ras al-Khaimah. This is the former 5X-AAL of Almidon Aviation.
No, Avgas Dinosaur, not the same airplane...1201 was originally delivered to GF, not TWA.
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Old 22nd Jul 2007, 07:10
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AvgasDinosaur and 411A:

Exactly the same one described by AvgasDinosaur.

1201 is all white ex Tradewinds with blue and red window lines. It was indeed registered EX-102 and taken on books of Reem Air who are also incidently on EU banned airlines list. Last news this aircraft had blown its no 3 (RB-524) engine and looking for investor to replace. Standing at either Ras Al Khaimah or in Turkey.

Interesting also that Duane Egli's machines were also moved from Liberian registry to Kyrgyz under name of Reem Air.
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Angry L-1011

EX-102 ( REEM AIR) had a compressor stall in istambul and the crew blew 8 tires and sealed 2 engines, they brig this one from US and they modify it ( to Duane conversion) in RSA . The aircraft saw in Ghana is owned by Basem Mishal it is an ex Star Air.
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and the years have passed since I last flew the L1011 Fr8ers, took me time to get over just how bad a condition that they were in then, I shudder to think what they are like now. What nationality are the crews that are flying them now we were replaced by Jordanians when the costs got too much as we would not fly the aircraft in the state they were in.
Would be interesting to see who is behind them flying again and how your airline is going 411A glad to se someone keeping the old gals in the air, hope the servicing is being done.
Fly safe and keep the blue side up, if they ever need crew down in this neck of the world give me a call.
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The L-1011 flying out of Middle-east and Africa have crew from Jordan, Russia, USA, few from EEC and now from Thailand. Some gote fake licence or type rating
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Here is a picture of 5X-AAL s/n 1201.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0761525/M/
If A8-AAB is now TT-DWE via EX-072 reregistration, could the one at Accra be the former A8-AAA c/n 1101 reregistered to EX-???. Doubtful from the description and looking at these photos
Other Duane Egli L1011s http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0667693/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1189705/M/
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Old 22nd Jul 2007, 11:57
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The other aircraft registration is TT-DAE, both Duane aircrafts are regitred in Tchad under a new company name: AMW tchad ( aircraft machinery works). He owe 500.000,0$US to a company in UAE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so he better in N'Djamena
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AAL,
Got the right digits but wrong order
The Ex Tradewinds was s/n 1012 one of the first aircraft delivered to Eastern.

Converted initially by Monarch Engineering in Miami but finished by Pemco in Dothan.
Only freighter not converted by Marshalls
Eventually went to Tradewinds in Greensboro.
Operated for many years very well then sold a feww years ago to Skyeyes.
Registered in Thailand it operated a while including the Bahrain-Bagdad operation.
Now grounded by Thai's due to engine axial motion AD.
Has 22B engines
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Old 22nd Jul 2007, 12:12
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The 22B was with Thai sky cargo :XS AXF, Sky eyes has 524B engines
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This and that...

Many times the problem is, fergineer, the complete lack of experience with the TriStar by many of the new(er) pilots and ground engineers.
Many of these folks have not been properly trained, and as we all know, the TriStar is rather unforgiving of inappropriate operation and duff servicing.
The small company I worked for during the last Hajj for example operated three airplanes, all -1's.
The airplane I flew (along with one other Captain) had no 'issues' during the entire Hajj operation, with the exception of high vibration on the #2 engine, which was fixed straight away by one of our on-board ground engineers (we carried three at all times) by trim balancing the number two fan. This one particular guy was straight out of the engine shop in AMM on loan and was very experienced on RR engines.
Due to the excellent record of these ground engineers, I recommended they be paid an extra bonus...and they were, they smiled all the way to the bank.
It is getting harder and harder to find properly experienced folks on type, those that operated the TriStar many years ago, for large carriers....carriers that provided proper training, not just a quick look-in-the-books, and then signed off.
The TriStar is a fine aircraft, and can indeed make profits provided it is operated and maintained properly.
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