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With 2000 PIC you will have no problems securing a F/O position with Air Atlanta, but as Max says, you'll need a 747 rating which is for your own cost.
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So next logical question:
How much for the rating? Written job guarantee? Fly max. allowed hrs/year?
Since I have both FAA and JAA licenses, would it be sufficient to get the rating on the FAA??
How much for the rating? Written job guarantee? Fly max. allowed hrs/year?
Since I have both FAA and JAA licenses, would it be sufficient to get the rating on the FAA??
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Seems to me that the poison dwarf should open his own flight school to keep AAI staffed in the RHS.
Perhaps I'm being a tad unfair.
While the dwarf was at Direct, he was quite OK, as I recall.
Clearly downhill after that.
Perhaps I'm being a tad unfair.
While the dwarf was at Direct, he was quite OK, as I recall.
Clearly downhill after that.
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The reason I ask is that it would be a helluva lot cheaper to get the rating on my FAA rather than on the JAA. It would still be without IOE, but the first sectors with a suitably equipped gentleman in the RHS would take care of that - An appendix H rating...
Would like to hear about common experience level for F/O position.
Would like to hear about common experience level for F/O position.
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I understand that there is a new head of flight ops in AAI, and that his intention is to do something with the problem of pilots leaving.
Does any of of you guys working there care to comment whether this could give hope for improved t/c?
Maris
Does any of of you guys working there care to comment whether this could give hope for improved t/c?
Maris
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Looks like a lot will be done to make it work. More time off with increased salary. No details yet, but I have heard 20 on 10 off type of deal being mentioned, but again these are all AAI rumours and sometimes those are just made up by people wanting to see how fast it takes to the rumour to travel through all bases. Wait a few weeks and something should come out.
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The new head of ops is an old head of ops who was moved side ways a few years ago. He is the same as Jerry O Springer and lies out of habit. Only there because of family connections.
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So what you are telling us is this. AAI have acknowledged that fact that the crews have been ripped off in the past, so to try and stop the mass exodus they have decided not to rip the crews off as much.
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new eal ???
yes they have been ripped off big times over the years and now they'll have to pay for it.
The new deal that has been offered must have been a joke.
28 days on / 10 days off - makes you work 6 weeks in two month
More are leaving this month and I hear quite a few in June as well.
But no sweat as our american cousins are filling these seats quite happily with a cheap rating from WALmart and fake hours to earn 'big bugs'.
The new deal that has been offered must have been a joke.
28 days on / 10 days off - makes you work 6 weeks in two month
More are leaving this month and I hear quite a few in June as well.
But no sweat as our american cousins are filling these seats quite happily with a cheap rating from WALmart and fake hours to earn 'big bugs'.
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But no sweat as our american cousins are filling these seats quite happily with a cheap rating from WALmart and fake hours to earn 'big bugs'.
Max.. Where do you get this information? What "Fake hours" are you talking about?
Max.. Where do you get this information? What "Fake hours" are you talking about?
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With regard to B747 Classic aircrew at AAI, we never hear anything about the numbers and quality, rates of starters and leavers, for the Flight Engineers.
I've only heard one even mentioned just recently, in that Medina low fuel arrival, but that's the first for quite some time, and that was only a quick comment!
I understand 'big john' is still there, smiling to your face all the time, but how are the numbers going, and with it the experience levels, that remain.
By remain, I mean they stay for at least two cycles.
Cheers...FD...
I've only heard one even mentioned just recently, in that Medina low fuel arrival, but that's the first for quite some time, and that was only a quick comment!
I understand 'big john' is still there, smiling to your face all the time, but how are the numbers going, and with it the experience levels, that remain.
By remain, I mean they stay for at least two cycles.
Cheers...FD...
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crs clb,
airborne and/or aai never conduct any br-chks nor will they ask for references of any kind.
they started doing it but than stopped again.
we all remember the faa licenced pilot who said he had been capt. on serveral types. he was involved in a tailstrike and podstrike and it turned out that he had been fired from all his previous positions. many trng. capts complained but he stayed on (fake hrs).
of course it's not all of them (sorry for that) but quite a few that cheat on their ttl time to get a jet job in europe and quick command, not only at aai.
but that's probably a different topic already.
HitList,
if you speak up you'll be on a long vacation the very next day!
safe flying!
airborne and/or aai never conduct any br-chks nor will they ask for references of any kind.
they started doing it but than stopped again.
we all remember the faa licenced pilot who said he had been capt. on serveral types. he was involved in a tailstrike and podstrike and it turned out that he had been fired from all his previous positions. many trng. capts complained but he stayed on (fake hrs).
of course it's not all of them (sorry for that) but quite a few that cheat on their ttl time to get a jet job in europe and quick command, not only at aai.
but that's probably a different topic already.
HitList,
if you speak up you'll be on a long vacation the very next day!
safe flying!
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I think it would be like shooting one self in the leg, or even the head, to admit to the fact that I work at AAI Headquarters in Iceland. I have a few comments on what has been said here, it will be interesting to see where this will take us.
First of all I want to comment on pilots resignations. They are a fact, but not to the extent described here. I don't have any numbers available, but I know they are far from being such that they will put the company on the spot. The discussion here on pprune might be what is causing the flood of applications, I'm told that the human resources department had to allocate one person to go through the pile. Having said that I admit that the majority of the applications is from pilots with less than 1000 hrs total time and no jet experience. That is not what AAI is looking for and those pilots need not apply.
Secondly I want to comment on the working conditions. The first thing a pilot has to realize when working for AAI is that AAI is not a scheduled airline. Rosters change, even every day! This is due to the fact that the airlines buying flight hrs from AAI change what they require AAI to fly for them. If for example a customer gets a cancellation on a big load that he planned to move on his aircraft, he will right away cancel a flight with AAI and allocate his fleet to move what AAI was meant to move. Then the customer lands another deal to move something, first thing he does is to call AAI and tell them that he will require their aircraft to move the load. AAI is working with the "over flow" from other companies, therefore it is impossible for the company it issue rosters and have them stick for the 15 or 30 days they are issued for. If pilots, who are on base, find this unacceptable, they are not working for the right company. I know that many times the operations department is having problem with pilots that don't want to accept a roster change. When they finally do so they call it a favor to the company. Is flying airplanes when you are a pilot, and you are getting paid for it, a favor for the company you work for or is it called doing ones job?
Third issue. Many times over there has been talk about the Icelandic pilots and their salary here on pprune. I'm not going to comment on any figures but would like to point out that Icelandic pilots have to pay between 30 and 40% tax of what they earn. Other pilots usually don't pay tax as Jerry and co pay through some off shore accounts. In total the Icelandic pilots take less home per month, but they also work less. Net income per flown hour is about the same, might be in favor of the Icelanders, but not to the extent that it should be the problem it is.
Forth. Limited resources to the flight operations department is a big problem. The company has for many years believed that too few pilots is a good thing. Who can agree on that?? We hope that the new VP of Flight Operations will change that. I've heard that he is planing to hire a bunch of new pilots, lets hope he does, it will ease the pressure on pilots and ops staff.
Number five. I saw someone comment on the proposed on/off system and called it a joke! The new VP of Flight Operations is trying to change the environment pilots work in. The first thing he does is to have pilots work 4 weeks and off for 10 days (please note that this is still just a proposal, nothing has been confirmed yet). It used to be that the pilots worked when the company was in high season, then they went home and came back when the business bloomed again. Now the company isn't experiencing as much of low and high seasons as it did, so many pilots find themselves being stuck on base for months and months before being able to go home to their loved ones. So what is wrong with this proposal? Keep an open mind to things that might be good for you, if you are not happy make sure you criticism is constructive. A positive voice is rather heard than I negative one.
Although I'm more on the positive side in this post than negative I should mention that I, as so many other, have negative comments about the company I (we) work for. But we are all hoping what things are getting better with new management, therefore I don't want to focus on the bad things, except when trying to fix them.
I could go on for quite some time, but I think that this is enough for now. I hope I get some comments from you guys, but please note that i will not answer rude or unfair comments or remarks. If you want comments from me be polite please.
Edited: Paragraph spacing.
First of all I want to comment on pilots resignations. They are a fact, but not to the extent described here. I don't have any numbers available, but I know they are far from being such that they will put the company on the spot. The discussion here on pprune might be what is causing the flood of applications, I'm told that the human resources department had to allocate one person to go through the pile. Having said that I admit that the majority of the applications is from pilots with less than 1000 hrs total time and no jet experience. That is not what AAI is looking for and those pilots need not apply.
Secondly I want to comment on the working conditions. The first thing a pilot has to realize when working for AAI is that AAI is not a scheduled airline. Rosters change, even every day! This is due to the fact that the airlines buying flight hrs from AAI change what they require AAI to fly for them. If for example a customer gets a cancellation on a big load that he planned to move on his aircraft, he will right away cancel a flight with AAI and allocate his fleet to move what AAI was meant to move. Then the customer lands another deal to move something, first thing he does is to call AAI and tell them that he will require their aircraft to move the load. AAI is working with the "over flow" from other companies, therefore it is impossible for the company it issue rosters and have them stick for the 15 or 30 days they are issued for. If pilots, who are on base, find this unacceptable, they are not working for the right company. I know that many times the operations department is having problem with pilots that don't want to accept a roster change. When they finally do so they call it a favor to the company. Is flying airplanes when you are a pilot, and you are getting paid for it, a favor for the company you work for or is it called doing ones job?
Third issue. Many times over there has been talk about the Icelandic pilots and their salary here on pprune. I'm not going to comment on any figures but would like to point out that Icelandic pilots have to pay between 30 and 40% tax of what they earn. Other pilots usually don't pay tax as Jerry and co pay through some off shore accounts. In total the Icelandic pilots take less home per month, but they also work less. Net income per flown hour is about the same, might be in favor of the Icelanders, but not to the extent that it should be the problem it is.
Forth. Limited resources to the flight operations department is a big problem. The company has for many years believed that too few pilots is a good thing. Who can agree on that?? We hope that the new VP of Flight Operations will change that. I've heard that he is planing to hire a bunch of new pilots, lets hope he does, it will ease the pressure on pilots and ops staff.
Number five. I saw someone comment on the proposed on/off system and called it a joke! The new VP of Flight Operations is trying to change the environment pilots work in. The first thing he does is to have pilots work 4 weeks and off for 10 days (please note that this is still just a proposal, nothing has been confirmed yet). It used to be that the pilots worked when the company was in high season, then they went home and came back when the business bloomed again. Now the company isn't experiencing as much of low and high seasons as it did, so many pilots find themselves being stuck on base for months and months before being able to go home to their loved ones. So what is wrong with this proposal? Keep an open mind to things that might be good for you, if you are not happy make sure you criticism is constructive. A positive voice is rather heard than I negative one.
Although I'm more on the positive side in this post than negative I should mention that I, as so many other, have negative comments about the company I (we) work for. But we are all hoping what things are getting better with new management, therefore I don't want to focus on the bad things, except when trying to fix them.
I could go on for quite some time, but I think that this is enough for now. I hope I get some comments from you guys, but please note that i will not answer rude or unfair comments or remarks. If you want comments from me be polite please.
Edited: Paragraph spacing.
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