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Old 20th Sep 2016, 17:14   #1381 (permalink)
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Cargolux set for a fight as Qatar plans significant increase in Luxembourg flights - The Loadstar
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 11:44   #1382 (permalink)
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whatsup with cargolux in milano? rumours of managers on the way out?
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 16:05   #1383 (permalink)
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Flying Commercially on your days OFF in General Aviation

I have another question in regard to Cargolux (Luxembourg). Do they allow if you fly commercially General Aviation in your days off. I am not talking about flying for competitors or even a ferry company. I am talking about giving flight instruction on SEP/MEP and / or skydive flying? This will be approx 150 hrs a year and will not interfere with FTL's. My current co has no objection but as I understand some companies do...

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Old 15th Dec 2016, 19:35   #1384 (permalink)
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No one can enlighten me?
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Old 18th Dec 2016, 15:41   #1385 (permalink)
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kim jong with a name like that what do you expect
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 14:29   #1386 (permalink)
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Looking at the schedules pilots are sending me I think you can consider yourself grateful if you can BREATHE on your days off :o
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 15:10   #1387 (permalink)
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Hey all

Could anyone share their roster pattern please?

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Old 24th Dec 2016, 03:06   #1388 (permalink)
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Aeroshizzle there is no pattern,
oh yeah there is, on average 10 roster changes a week or sometimes per day.
Merry Christmas all.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 10:38   #1389 (permalink)
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Some hints for anyone stupid enough to consider this job a long term career;



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Old 27th Dec 2016, 02:49   #1390 (permalink)
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Due to the lack of interest from suitable candidates Cargolux has massively lowered the entry requirements and is now actively poaching the GA sector.
There are plenty of guys out there who perceive it as a great career move to step from a Citation jet directly to a B747-400/-8.
And this without losing money.
I would not call these guys stupid.

The articles mentioned above are spot on.

6 day trip sample:
31:15 block total
Early departure, late arrival in LUX.
Time in brackets is layover.

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Old 27th Dec 2016, 06:09   #1391 (permalink)
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A GA pilot has much better options around when it's about numbers. Let's look at cargolux neighbor.

First year FO at luxair Dash8 5000+ euro
first year FO Cargolux B747 4150+/- euro (stated on Cargolux internet site)

If you look further even Norwegian b787 is better.

First year FO Norwegian b787 5150 euro (rishworth b787 info pack)

It wouldn't surprise me if Cargolux starting pay is one of the lowest in the industry for a Widebody FO

-There are probably even more better options but this is to show how Cargolux pay is compared with other airlines fishing in the same pool of candidates.
- and don't forget the upgrade time cargolux(10+years) vs norwegian(3+years). With upgrade there's also increased salary.
-this year all the temporally Lufthansa cityline pilots left, except for one or two due to personal reasons. The all refused the new contract offered to stay permanent.
-there are many reasons for joining a airline. It's for everyone different. But the figures are fact that nobody can argue. Personal reasons are not facts. So it's impossible to judge everyone's decision. And we should restrain our self from doing it.

* all the figures are gross salary
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Old 3rd Jan 2017, 11:57   #1392 (permalink)

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For anyone applying: be careful what you wish for!

Morale is at an all time low and there are almost no benefits to a 747 type rating. Lots of people weighing options in the Middle East, so perhaps better avoid the unfolding nightmare in LUX altogether, and apply straight away with the ME3! The ME3 will kill CLX any way, so why waste time on a useless type rating, doing duties that will ruin your health?

A little bird told me that at the moment there is a lot of infighting going on within our beloved training department, as there is a scramble to stab each other in the back in order to jump the seniority list for captain positions.

Advice for anyone ignoring the warnings here: be very wary of anyone in the training department. Almost 90% of the people there are only working there in order to stab everybody else in the back; comfortable schedules (custom made by their little friend KL in crew planning), very little jetlag, a cozzzzzy 9-17 office job to recover from all the "hard" work, and the usual brownnosing with management. Training department = company spies, selling their souls for a few goodies. The rest of us can do the real work with endless roster disruptions and roster changes, fly round the world trips, ruin our health and social lives, and enjoy LUX layovers in the NH.

The big irony however is that this mentality is coming back to all the backstabbers in the training department like a boomerang, as not all wishes for quick upgrades can be granted as this would collapse the entire training department. Hence all the backstabbing among each other.

Last one out, please turn off the lights!

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Old 9th Jan 2017, 22:08   #1393 (permalink)
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Hi little Maurice,

Are you really working for CLX? Where is this opinion based on? I am working in the training department for Cargolux and I can tell you that most of us, First Officers, working in the training department we don't want to jump the seniority list for a quick upgrade, no backstabbing here. Also as maybe you know, the months from October until X-Mas are the busiest months in our business, so least training as possible done during that time and most trainers fly the same as a regular pilot.

Besides all this we do a lot of extra work in our free time, like preparing courses etc... why? Because we love to train people. I love my work as TKI! It's a lot of work but I enjoy it!


A very happy Cargolux pilot.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 09:38   #1394 (permalink)
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Hi Maurice, are you for real!?
If you can please name one example to back up your allegations, it would greatly help. The work being done in any department by pilots is massive. I for one do not know any pilot with an office function who is living the live you describe. Guys like you are like a rot in this company, spreading unfounded rumors to discredit others. Get a life.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 21:53   #1395 (permalink)
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Echie & Ray Cosmic Little Maurice is spot on and you are the backstabbers he is talking about
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 09:26   #1396 (permalink)
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fda, I have no idea what you guys are talking about - and probably neither do you. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story, right?
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 10:11   #1397 (permalink)
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Although I have to agree not everything is bright those days in our lovely
little outfit and there is room for improvement in nearly every department,
presenting accusations like these if you are really a part of cv is bloody stupid since there is no known case of anybody jumping the seniority list for at least
16 years. BTW that's what a seniority list is for in the first place. So should you have proof of what you're stating, please take action and don't whine around on a public forum like an 10 year old! Or join your beloved ME3 airlines, where everything is working out so brilliantly when it comes to crews.
And I'm not and never was in the training department!

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Old 28th Jan 2017, 14:29   #1398 (permalink)
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What I am curious about, and would like to ask ECHIE now I read his comment. If CLX is so in need of FO's, and I talked to a few captains from CLX and shared this same story.

So multiple FO's and CPT told me CLX is in dire need of experienced rated and ntr FO's (this is last summer). So I applied to CLX. Within 3 days I get a reply that I match all requirements but the management prefers people with a higher education than I have (Dutch general higher secundary education, they prefered direct university entry high school level. Even though I was at that time senior FO on a regional jet with almost 3k hours on type). When I met more CLX crews there were very surprised how this was possible. Could you shed some light ECHIE?
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 00:42   #1399 (permalink)
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Same thing happened to a buddy of mine, which makes me think that there may be such a pattern, sadly.
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 11:29   #1400 (permalink)
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Personally I think you should have gotten a shot with your experience.
But it's not a secret that you need a university entrance degree. It it's clearly stated on the website. We can agree or disagree about that requirement, but that's a other discussion.
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