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Freight Dogs Finally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.


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Old 26th May 2006, 18:28   #61 (permalink)
 
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  • no agreement in place yet
  • if its going to happen it will be surplus pilots
  • there's not a whole lot of pilots too many; perhaps 10? probably less
  • no conditions are known yet
  • I expect no special treatment; so yes, people crossing over take a financial step back for a couple years
  • Everyone has to pass the normal selection required for CV recruits
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Old 29th May 2006, 19:29   #62 (permalink)
 
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If you look at the website of CV their minimum requirements are different from those of interpersonal (who's doing the initial screening). If I recall it correctly Cargolux didn't mention high performance turboprop as relevant experience in the past few
years....
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Old 29th May 2006, 19:58   #63 (permalink)
 
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I think there was only a weight restriction; i.e. MTOW 21000 kgs or something like that.
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Old 29th May 2006, 21:15   #64 (permalink)
 
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Yes, 22000kgs was the lower limit, all jet though...now they publish on their site that 3000hrs including 2000hrs high performance turboprop is acceptable as well...but is it realistic?
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Old 30th May 2006, 12:06   #65 (permalink)
 
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Lightbulb minimum requirements...

Gentlemen,
I would like to point out that although Cargolux is hiring now and will be hiring for the foreseeable future it is very unlikely that you will get in with the minimum requirements only posted on either website.
Since the age-structure of the pilot group is not ideal - the majority of pilots (Cpts and F/Os) being in the range of 30 - 40 yrs of age - I could imagine that Cargolux is now looking specifically for young F/Os with lots of jet experience (i.e. B737 upwards or Airbus).
Good luck!
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Old 23rd Jun 2006, 19:20   #66 (permalink)
 
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2 LG 737 FO will start with CV in September.
No special conditions/deals/favors re. Psychotest etc.
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Old 23rd Jun 2006, 23:27   #67 (permalink)
 
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any age limit ?
I'm a not so young pilot (52) with 10 800 h including 800h on the 744...
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Old 24th Jun 2006, 00:58   #68 (permalink)
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Hello


On interpersonal.de I found the following new requirement for Cargolux:

*** Attention:
It is essential to be ready to take residence at or around Cargolux home base in such a way, that duty at home base can be started within 1 hour when called out !

Does anyone know if this applies only to standby duties? Otherwise this would make it impossible to commute from other places in Europe.

Link: https://www.interpersonal.de/site/mm...show/jo_10036/
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Old 24th Jun 2006, 04:38   #69 (permalink)
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stg

What some folks do is position in country the day before and stay in a hotel for the night, alternatively come to a flat sharing agreement with colleagues. Staying just over the border in eg Trier is somewhat cheaper than Luxusburg.

Call out is 2hrs10mins before departure, check-in to ops 1 hour10 before departure, so you'll be a bit pushed to get from CH to LUX in an hour...
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Old 24th Jun 2006, 07:54   #70 (permalink)
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Thanks for your reply. Indeed you need a very fast car to get from CH to LUX within an hour

So call out means that they call you 1 hour before check-in to make sure you will start duty or else they would have to arrange a reserve crew?
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Old 18th Jul 2006, 19:44   #71 (permalink)
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Sorry late reply.

Arranging a reserve crew because the scheduled crew couldn't show up in time... Any guesses as to what would happen?
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Old 20th Jul 2006, 13:28   #72 (permalink)
 
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Cargolux Salary

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I challenge you to find another job in Europe with the conditions and pay that you have here at Cargolux. When you do- go - you will find out that it is never to late.
LF[/QUOTE]
Jungleland:
During training (3 months), you get about 3000. After that, with less than 600 hrs on type you get about 4000, then with 600 hrs on type (and more than 3500TT) you get to the 'normal'/'senior' FO payscale, which is even much better. Plus allowances of course
?
How much allowances would you earn LF?Thanks mate.
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Old 20th Jul 2006, 16:20   #73 (permalink)
 
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Hello STG,



the one hour rule means that they call you for duty one hour before check-in. Your planned duty time does not mean much. They may call you for duty early, or may let you stay close to the airport for ten hours before they call you out for a 16 hour duty.
So your duty starts one hour after the wake-up call, regardless of your scheduled time or your show up!
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Old 20th Jul 2006, 19:24   #74 (permalink)
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@ CR2 and fitforflight:

Thank you for your replies. Be there 1 hour before check-in, that's all what this means.
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Old 21st Jul 2006, 19:59   #75 (permalink)
 
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Allowances

To IOLAR60

well mate,as a starter we get paid $4/hour in per diems changing to €4/hour in October by the wisedom of our blessed kniting club (pilot's association).

We get extra for flying at night,Sundays and public holidays which does bring your monthly salary (all-in) up into the region of €6000-€6500 from your third year onwards. Before I'm shouted at, I have included the per diems in this amount.

On a sad note, my enthusiasm for the company has been seriously dented by the negotiations to reach a settlement on a new collective work agreement.We have been sold out by our unions, which where intimidated and corrupted by the management. Considering that three brave souls have lost their jobs it's a very sad thing.

If you are seriously looking at joining CV and you have a family, ask yourself how long you are prepared to stay away from home. In my last two rosters I've had pairings of 16 and 15 days and I have a 11 day pairing on my present roster.Don't get me wrong I'm not moaning about this, but my family are - and suffering. I feel that we are being punished for the tone that our negotiators took whilst looking for a settlement to our CWA. I take back what I said to my colleage in my previous ramblings, the money can be fantastic (for what we love to do ie.fly jumbos to great places all over the world) but life- I'm finding out- is not all about that.

LF

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Old 22nd Jul 2006, 07:27   #76 (permalink)
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luxfreight. I was speaking to one of our pilot delegates yesterday. He told me that the CWA was signed by the LCBG behind their backs. There is apparently some text in there which is illegal - 4.5 hours for one of the legs. You should check your mailbox in ops...
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Old 22nd Jul 2006, 17:47   #77 (permalink)
 
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I did read all the c**p that came through my mailbox. I think if our guys had kept their heads out of SMARTS and kept their eye on the ball I don't think that this would have happened.Don't be fooled into thinking that the second sector (4.5 hour rule) is the only problem with this CWA. The whole thing stinks. The poor guys who made a stand for this must be wondering - "What the hell"
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Old 22nd Jul 2006, 22:46   #78 (permalink)
 
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Nice one - maybe you should try fishing instead of fighting the lux- system. It mite improve your language.

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Old 23rd Jul 2006, 13:39   #79 (permalink)
 
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so the question remains: To strike or not to strike?

I'm currently also considering to join CV and eventhough I'm fulfilling all of CV's requirements (flighthours, JAA ATPL, living in Luxembourg, still in the 20s) and really want stop doing short-range flights, 4 legs a day, 85+ blockhours a month but instead fly around the world with a more "relaxed" roster, I believe with the current situation of CV's CWA, I will rather stay in the company I'm working for the time being.

Of course, the thought of flying 747s around the world, earning more money in the long run and working for a company whose commercial and financial future looks currently extremely bright is very, very tempting but having a social life at home with friends and family certainly is tempting too.

Now that the new CWA has been signed, do you mates working for CV think that there is any chance that a more balanced CWA (working / resting at home) is plausible in the foreseeable future (1-2 years)? Because if there is any chance for improvement in the long run, I certainly would like to join CV, have a few less "nicer" years but enjoy my dreamjob after that period.

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Old 23rd Jul 2006, 20:56   #80 (permalink)
 
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One union signing a CWA for a group and delegation it doesn't represent, without even asking......
Another union which actually does represent this group has signed the same CWA, against the will of it's partner, without even asking....
Banana unions in a banana republic and ever increasingly, a banana company. If it wasn't so sad it would actually be funny. It seems that the soap opera continues.
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