Freight DogsFinally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.
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Originally Posted by CommitedToStay
And: No, these guys are not flying for LUXAIR (which ocassionally seems to have a negative impact on the outcome of applications sometimes). Cheers, CTS
Ehm... occasionally it doesn't. I think that during the last 30 years 6 were "allowed" to swap.
Which makes me think; what would you prefer FO 737 with LG or FO with CV? Currently hardly any promotions within LG, so stuck on that seat for at least another 8 years. Salaries will be frozen for the coming years. "Promotion" thereafter to whatever RJ or TP they will have. Then fly 4 legs a day, 20 days a month, with anything but optimized turnarounds; so lots of duty. (Even FR schedues look better) ..But you're at home in your own bed every night.
Or CV, where you'll make a little more money, a brighter looking future, more interesting destinations, but where you're on the road a lot (if not the whole time..)
Let me dump some water on your pessimism and show you some realism behind my statement.
I have just flown with a colleage of ours who put his first application into Cargolux in 1988. He finally got into cargolux in 2002 after putting 3 to 4 applications in every year.He now lives in Luxembourg and you can't get the smile off his face (and he didn't come from a low-cost to get here). By the way I was LOT luckier I only had to apply once.
In +/- 2weeks time we will receive and extra 2 cheques in our pay envelope whilst a lot of other airlines including Luxair are struggling to keep their heads above the water. If you work out exactly how much you worked in the last year, you'll find out it was about 6 months all in.If you worked more than that you where selling something and you have yourself to blame.Not bad really and I accept that the rostering can be a little off colour sometimes - but hey - you got to take the rough with the smooth, we both have to work for our money sometimes.
I suggest that your mates are not making it into Cargolux because - interpersonal (who ever he is)- sees in them what he missed in you i.e. the whining trait that is dragging the our easy going company attitude into a pit.
I challenge you to find another job in Europe with the conditions and pay that you have here at Cargolux. When you do- go - you will find out that it is never to late.
Heard on the street that Luxair will lay off quite a few pilots, and that Luxair and Cargolux would 'make a deal' to take over 30 of them into CV ops. Is that somewhat true?
Also heard by someone calling interpersonal that they are very busy this year, and will have interviews every week all year, but as well see no end of it. Looks good. But do Luxair pilots have to go through them and IBF, or use the fast lane?
Location: in the western part of the United State of Europe
Age: 32
Posts: 88
@ LF Hey, I already thought you meant me! But I don't think CTS meant it that bad, or is he always like this?
Jungle: nobody will be laid off. Early retirements, voluntary moving and parttime should do the trick. Nothing confirmed re LG-CV deal, although some are trying very, very hard.
Location: in the western part of the United State of Europe
Age: 32
Posts: 88
2 737-500 sold already last year, for the moment leased back. 1 145/135 to be sold. The rest is still unclear (fleet renewel etc...) 30 pilots less seems a lot, though. Don't think it's realistic..
Normally everyone went still through the company specific selection. Lets hope so for CV.
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"A little off-topic", but thats what you find on their homepage about this
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Essential repositioning of the Airline
The project "Building a new Airline"
The project "Building a new Airline", which should allow Luxair Airline to reach a financial break-even by the end of 2008, has now entered its decisive phase. Luxair Airline registered a loss of 12 million euros in 2005. If no concrete measures are taken, projected results by the financial year 2008 would amount to a loss of over 21 millions euros. These losses might become even more significant if, for example, additional competing airlines take up business at Findel airport or if oil prices continue to rise. Such an accumulation and increase of losses not only jeopardize the Airline activity but Luxair S.A. as an entire company. The project “Building a new Airline” aims at taking the necessary actions which will enable the Airline activity to reach a financial break-even and become profitable again by the year 2008, and which simultaneously guarantee the viability of Luxair as a major market player in Luxembourg and the Greater Region.
Improve commercial effectiveness A series of measures aimed at cutting costs and increasing revenue is currently being implemented. Their objective is to improve commercial effectiveness by redefining the fare structures, by boosting the development of e-commerce and related products such as e-ticketing, by elaborating a commercial policy with enhanced focusing on customer needs, and more. Simultaneously, a large cost cutting programme not linked to payroll is in the course of being implemented, including the renegotiation of contracts with service suppliers or the optimisation of production and strict cost monitoring. In order to consolidate the existing markets and to capture new market segments, Luxair is also negotiating commercial agreements with other operators with a view to concluding code share agreements, following the example of the cooperation with Alitalia started recently for flights to and from Italy.
Additional measures to ensure the viability of the Airline However, these sole measures will not suffice to make the Airline activity a viable business. In order to improve the financial situation of Luxair Airline, a consistent increase in productivity and a reduction of the number of destinations served, as well as the restructuring of the fleet are deemed essential. As these measures are bound to have an impact on payroll, Luxair will have to operate a progressive reduction of staff numbers, cutting about 200 jobs by the end of 2008. Simultaneously, a freeze of salaries, applied to the entire company for the period 2007-2009, will allow Luxair to make the necessary extra savings. With a view to implementing these extra measures, the Board of Directors, in its meeting of March 31st, 2006, gave a mandate to Luxair Management to inform and consult the Luxair Joint Committee and the social partners on these measures.
Reduced number of Luxair destinations Luxair intends to adapt its route network to the economic realities and to the competitive environment as of the winter 2006 schedule. This entails giving priority to those destinations which have real potential and to those which are strategically essential such as London, Paris or Frankfurt. Several destinations which are currently generating heavy losses will be abandoned and there will be fewer flights to other destinations.
Restructuring of the fleet Efficiently operating the new network of Luxair destinations will also have repercussions on the structure and size of Luxair’s future fleet. Luxair is considering e.a. the introduction of an aircraft type with 70 to 90 seats and has therefore asked for price offers with constructors such as ATR, Bombardier and Embraer. At the moment, an option considering a fleet composed of 12 aircraft is being finalised and the final decision as to the new fleet will be taken at the beginning of May 2006.
Improvement of productivity in general A consistent increase in productivity should enable the Airline - and Luxair in general – to optimise its production processes. Productivity gains will be negotiated as part of a discussion to renew Part 2 of the Collective Work Agreement for Employees applicable to crews, and will also be obtained as a result of specific measures within the different departments of Luxair S.A.
Reduction of staff numbers These measures, designed to safeguard the future of the Airline and thus of Luxair, will have a knock-on effect on staff numbers. Luxair Management estimates that about 200 jobs will have to be cut by 2008. Job cuts are not an end in themselves but an unavoidable result of the steps to be taken in order to guarantee the survival of the Airline and of Luxair. The job cutting programme will be applied progressively by the end of 2008 and comprises specific measures to operate this transition in a socially acceptable manner: freeze on recruitment, early retirement programme, staff encouraged to take early retirement, financial incentives for voluntary redundancies, part-time work or job transfers. All these measures are currently the subject of talks with the social partners.
Freezing of salaries Luxair intends to freeze the salaries of its entire staff from 2007 to 2009 in order to enable the savings that are essential to the company’s future viability. Salaries will of course continue to rise in line with the index.
Social dialogue and information of staff Luxair will continue its policy of information and transparent communication on the project “Building a new Airline”. The dialogue with social partners and Luxair staff will remain Luxair’s priority. A first discussion with the Joint Committee and the social partners took place this morning, Monday April 3rd, 2006. Two special staff briefings for Luxair personnel are scheduled for this week, resp. next week.
A new Luxair in 2008 Luxair trusts that by 2008, the project “Building a new Airline” will be implemented successfully. Luxair firmly intends to become a benchmark company at the service of the population in Luxembourg and the Greater Region and to stand out a socially responsible employer.
Press contact: Marc Gerges, phone (+352) 2456-4026
Assessment will take place at IBF in Saarlouis, Germany.
After a medical, you will pass approx. 6hrs behind a computer doing all kind of tests. Some of the typical IQ-questions, some coordination, concentration and multitasking excersises. And a lot, I mean A LOT of personality questions. (Are you a violent person? Are you shy? Do you believe in some sort of supernateral-scientificly-nonexplainable force? ...)
So basiclly not much you can prepare for apart from having a good nights rest the night before ...
I suggest that your mates are not making it into Cargolux because - interpersonal (who ever he is)- sees in them what he missed in you i.e. the whining trait that is dragging the our easy going company attitude into a pit.
I challenge you to find another job in Europe with the conditions and pay that you have here at Cargolux. When you do- go - you will find out that it is never to late. LF
And I suggest you to remain kind. Next time, refer to what people exactly wrote and not to what you interpreted between their lines.
just wonder if you where at the IBF already? I am going over there next week, so maybe you got some nice information?
Take care and hope tp hear soon
-M-
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Originally Posted by SNAM
Hello, What's strictly involved in the "Full Day Assessment" at Interpersonal's premises for the CV first round of selection? Any interesting details? Regards, SNAM
The start of the whole thing is at IBF in Germany - using that machine depicted in the website linked here above by loulou, then there is a personal interview with a "brain" specialist at IBF, then the final interview (is it technical also?) with Cargolux people in LUX?
New on this forum and actually quit interested in a different job then where I am now...
Cargolux so far doesn't sound too bad, pay is good, annual leave seems ok and rosters are allright...
At least that's what it looks like in an overwiew, more detailed:
-If you apply for annual leave do you always get the dates you want or does it go on seniority or something? -any chance somebody could email me an example of a monthly roster? - and how far in advance do you get the roster? -do most of the guys live in luxembourg or over the border? What about tax issues if you indeed live in germany? Double tax?
That's it so far..thanks in advance for your answers!
new to this forum as well. Does anyone know how long the wait is between the acceptance of your application to assessment date? Is cargolux still actively recruiting?
Salaries will be frozen for the coming years.
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