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Old 14th Nov 2022, 01:05
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There is a joker who retired off the 777 at age 55, became a sim instructor and has asked the GMA to return as a Direct Entry Training Captain. The Witch hasn't said no.....
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The phrase Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” springs to mind!
Thanks Winston.
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Even I want for me and my friends , who to contact ?
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The contingency plan is, within the next 24 months, to fast track FOs with previous heavy jet command time onto command courses, a bit like the existing SO fast track programme. ie previous Cathay Dragon skippers who have rejoined as FO and new FO recruits with command time. An easy way around seniority, and basically direct entry captains all but in name.
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 01:40
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Good... Let there be a free market. No sense complaining. Everybody here are mercenaries out to look after no 1. I don't know why guys keep hanging on to solidarity. It's been dead since 99. If everyone drew the same line in the sand, it would be easy to return to comparable past contracts. But that is a fantasy. Plenty of guys working for free or volunteering. The company has adopted LCC practices as this is the "competitive" package that you've been sold down the river for. Plenty of people working for easy jet and Ryan air. Plenty of people signing in for CX as well. Nothing will happen except for little tweaks here and there usually at the entry level. The ones with time in the game are being dangled the shiny jet and upgrade/promotion carrot. The rest are either close to the end or have no where else to go.
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The contingency plan is, within the next 24 months, to fast track FOs with previous heavy jet command time onto command courses, a bit like the existing SO fast track programme. ie previous Cathay Dragon skippers who have rejoined as FO and new FO recruits with command time. An easy way around seniority, and basically direct entry captains all but in name.
This will only work whilst they can backfill FO/SO slots. If that pipeline stops, they will be forced to employ DEC, which will be easier than employing FO/SO
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 15:58
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The problem with DEC commands as we saw with the ASL entries is the highly variable standards of the applicants and those that arrive into the CX training system. Some were excellent, some were trainable and some were, as an American FO said to me at the time, "Don't you guys know who this is, he is unemployable in the USA ."

That was when CX had a robust (some would say anal and up themselves) training system. I believe nobody who got through as an ASL captain was unsafe. The politics of their admission was appalling, just as now, but I fear that now the training system will have been directed to have a, "bums on LHS at any cost," approach.

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