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Old 14th Nov 2017, 00:21   #1 (permalink)
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Time for new management, even if they are a kiwi

Air NZ's Christopher Luxon says businesses which just cut back aren't doing anything useful - NZ Herald

Air New Zealand chief executive Christopher Luxon says businesses that just cut jobs, investment and customer service aren't doing anything useful and needed to think more broadly about their bottom line.

"I could get a much higher share price for Air New Zealand in an instant by cutting jobs, cutting investment, cutting customer service and culture," he said at the airline's sustainability event today.

"The reality is that the business world is sadly littered with companies that are just cutting costs and ultimately not fulfilling their purpose to do anything useful in society. That's pretty sad."
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 00:30   #2 (permalink)
 
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Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...

Try convincing the Swire masters of that. They know better!
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 01:16   #3 (permalink)
 
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Was hoping this was going to be about replacing DS with RF...

Oh well
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 01:28   #4 (permalink)
 
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Every airline in the world (practically speaking) is earning record profits, expanding and improving their employees pay and benefits. All except CX. Why on earth would anyone plan on staying with a company that obviously is hell-bent on abusing and taking advantage of their employees. They don't respect you, they care nothing for your career expectations, and certainly won't honour anything they promise. You will NEVER have stability here. Ever. It's time to leave. There is no career to be had at CX. Just frustration and misery for each individual that gets themselves caught up in the web of this dysfunctional airline. There are better employers, better careers to be had just about everywhere else in the industry. Don't miss your opportunity to become established at an airline that will treat you with respect and dignity. Not lies and intimidation.

Btw, another FO yesterday told me he interviewed in his home country last month (along with 3 other CX FO's). Awaiting course date. And he has been here 9+ years. Well done CX, another indictment of your corporate failure.

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Old 14th Nov 2017, 02:00   #5 (permalink)
 
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Danger Ding Ding Ding Ding

Mayday Mayday Mayday
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 03:02   #6 (permalink)
 
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Every airline in the world (practically speaking) is earning record profits, expanding and improving their employees pay and benefits.
SQ staff also triming staff after 1bil cabin upgrade.

SIA chief warns that job cuts loom as part of business review
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 07:25   #7 (permalink)
 
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One more Ozzie FO resigned Friday.
Not sure if they see what’s happening. They are creating a royal mess.

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Old 14th Nov 2017, 08:02   #8 (permalink)
 
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be warned, they know exactly what they are doing. Management may not be so incompetent as it seems. Remember they are their to help swire and investors not pilots.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 08:21   #9 (permalink)
 
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They may know what they are doing, but it depends on the goal. If you wanted to grow and nurture a healthy airline for the long-term, you would not do any of the things that Swire's have been doing these past few years. If however all you cared about was driving down cost to sell off the airline for the maximum return possible, then you would be doing exactly what they have been doing. Regardless, the only point any of us should care about is whether or not to remain in CX. The answer is plainly NO. The Swire's can do whatever the hell they like, but we don't have to go down with their ship of greed. We'll help them with their reduction of cost: if you don't have any pilots, think of all the money you are saving.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 09:51   #10 (permalink)
 
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Traf, we know your opinion of B and C scale and how they drove down the value of your provident fund. How about you take your own advice and leave and stop boring us with your incessant drivel?
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 16:18   #11 (permalink)
 
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Ipad: thank you for your daily injection of MANAGEMENT drivel. For clarification, what I will do is constantly remind CX pilots, and pilots around the world, that this company is toxic, managed by ciphers (look it up) and not fit for purpose. I will do so in particular to ensure that no one else ever has to see themselves or their families suffer from having to deal with people like yourselves. CX pilots are either leaving imminently, or making their plans to leave. Pilots around the world are being educated as to the life damaging reality of coming to HK and working for what is arguably the most incompetent and arrogant group of self-serving managers in the industry. The entire world is quickly becoming aware of your contempt for the only true 'professionals' in this company. Soon you will be begging your pilots to stay. For now, keep deluding yourselves that you have the power. The day of reckoning is fast approaching.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 21:09   #12 (permalink)
 
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iPad...it is plainly obvious that you are not a line pilot. Whatever your position might be, maybe some introspection is in order.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 23:21   #13 (permalink)
 
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Bad managers will destroy good staff .. causing the best to flee and leaving the others with no motivation ...
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 00:56   #14 (permalink)
 
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I'll skip past the utterly clueless and sarcastically say yes please, lets bring in to CX the AirNZ style of pilot contract negotiations.

I did ask why the CX Seniority list didn't reflect the millions leaving and got told all the conspiracy theory behind it. Grassy knoll, second gunman etc etc. Now I'm wondering why the AOA updates don't seem to reflect the massive turnover since there should be hundreds of members resigning. Or is everyone who is leaving CX not an AOA member?
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 01:00   #15 (permalink)
 
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Troll (DP),

Plenty leaving from the USAOA, not that you care about yanks. They can’t fly compared to those low/no time cadets anyhow. Good riddance.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 01:25   #16 (permalink)
 
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Cxorcist - you could well be correct in the troll ID.
You did make me laugh with your black humour about yanks.
Fwiw, despite the never ending self induced fun one (me!) can have at the expense of our colonial cousins, I'd far rather fly with someone like an American exF18 pilot or someone who has cut his teeth on the US regionals, than with a very low hour product of the CX flying trying course at Adelaide.
You guys are fun, especially the ones who wind up easy, but good to fly with none the less.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 03:39   #17 (permalink)
 
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MorningCoffee, I know you are a manager but I’m hoping you’re not a pilot. My dignity can’t suffer another blow.

As to your condescension...let’s wait until after the roadshow shall we?

In the mean time, while we wait, take a moment and google “Michael OLeary grovelling to Pilot’s”.

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Old 15th Nov 2017, 14:03   #18 (permalink)
 
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I'll skip past the utterly clueless and sarcastically say yes please, lets bring in to CX the AirNZ style of pilot contract negotiations.

I did ask why the CX Seniority list didn't reflect the millions leaving and got told all the conspiracy theory behind it. Grassy knoll, second gunman etc etc. Now I'm wondering why the AOA updates don't seem to reflect the massive turnover since there should be hundreds of members resigning. Or is everyone who is leaving CX not an AOA member?
Raw numbers are not startling, thatís true. But the trend and impact it has is profound. An attrition rate thatís seen a 250 percent increase in 2 years from an extremely low base has resulted in an overworked C&T department oversee a reduced seniority list.

10 years ago the only departures were retirements. Now almost all departures are non-retirees. The FOP department is broken.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 14:27   #19 (permalink)
 
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They may know what they are doing, but it depends on the goal. If you wanted to grow and nurture a healthy airline for the long-term, you would not do any of the things that Swire's have been doing these past few years. If however all you cared about was driving down cost to sell off the airline for the maximum return possible, then you would be doing exactly what they have been doing. Regardless, the only point any of us should care about is whether or not to remain in CX. The answer is plainly NO. The Swire's can do whatever the hell they like, but we don't have to go down with their ship of greed. We'll help them with their reduction of cost: if you don't have any pilots, think of all the money you are saving.
Hey--THERE's an idea and I think you're on to something.

Surprised Coffee hasn't keyed in on it yet. Sounds like a brilliant management scheme.

Let's lay off all the pilots !

Think of the money we'd save. And we'd be rid of those pesky troublemakers.

Someone--quick--put in the suggestion on Yammer or D!ldo.

Time to WIN !
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 10:14   #20 (permalink)
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Hey I was told a while back by a captain that a retired senior manager has once said, the company is in the business of hiring administrators in the office, it just happens that we also operate as an airline.... Basically that means they would happily buy parknshop or wellcome tmr and make us all cashiers and truck drivers while all the office staff maintain their current position, and that's how they think up there
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