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Old 17th Sep 2017, 14:18
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LOL--good wind up.

Ya forgot to put a requirement for law degree with particular emphasis on contractural law, nations of basing laws, and laws of nations/provinces/states of operations and origins of all individuals working for the company.

Can be a real minefield if one doesn't know what one is doing.

Or I guess ya could just fix what is broken and get someone who smiles a lot and makes people happy. Naw, too easy.
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Hitler finds out Ryanair is cancelling flights - Caption Generator
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 11:55
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Hi Anna,

Just a brief update here from our side. As a courtesy so to say:

Your pilots are closing ranks, and getting organised. In an unprecedented manner ( including trainers).

Your FOP is going to implode, should you proceed with your attack on our livelihoods.

Remember? FOP is the department you are supposed to manage, and not destroy.

NO FOP = NO AIRLINE.

Just google ' Ryanair pilots leaving for Norwegian ', ... well, you'll get the picture, Anna.

There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street) for all of our pilots, of all experience levels.

As an 'amuse bouche', your trainers will start to shut this circus before Xmas.

Think again, Anna.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:12
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There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street)

Err , I hope you don't advocate leaving CX & starting at KA?!
However , it Would be a quicker command and ultimately higher financial rewards over a 20 year career.

Oh , I think you mean HKA, well no chance unless its a SO or JFO. C'mon, CX is a defacto legacy carrier. HKA defacto cheapo
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:24
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looking at HX crew ad at facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/HKAFOP/ ]. quicker command in 2 years time !
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:36
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Originally Posted by FUANNA
Hi Anna,

Just a brief update here from our side. As a courtesy so to say:

Your pilots are closing ranks, and getting organised. In an unprecedented manner ( including trainers).

Your FOP is going to implode, should you proceed with your attack on our livelihoods.

Remember? FOP is the department you are supposed to manage, and not destroy.

NO FOP = NO AIRLINE.

Just google ' Ryanair pilots leaving for Norwegian ', ... well, you'll get the picture, Anna.

There are currently plenty of options out there (one is just across the street) for all of our pilots, of all experience levels.

As an 'amuse bouche', your trainers will start to shut this circus before Xmas.

Think again, Anna.
Hahahahah
I dont think the trainers will do squat
They are like hairdressers.
Their grandfathers who fought in world war 2 would be rolling in there graves .
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:46
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Originally Posted by goathead
Hahahahah
I dont think the trainers will do squat
They are like hairdressers.
Their grandfathers who fought in world war 2 would be rolling in there graves .
The level of frustration is unprecedented.

Almost everybody has reached a breaking point.

Including trainers.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:51
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Including trainers? Do you mean "the letter"?
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 13:51
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Originally Posted by FUANNA
The level of frustration is unprecedented.

Almost everybody has reached a breaking point.

Including trainers.
Didn't trainers, in a sense, put us here in the first place? No offense, many I like and consider friends. However, training your own cheaper replacements voluntarily is just dumb.

I have long desired to train, not check, but I will never be doing that at CX until we are all on the same contract, pay, and benefits in HK. I would make an exception for bases as long as those based contracts are sufficient to attract my colleagues away from HK (as opposed to only staffing with cheap new hires, aka a notional Asian base outside HK).
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 01:50
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So full of crap. It's just not funny anymore. I don't think you even believe the crap you write. COCK! That's all you are.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 02:37
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Originally Posted by cpahka
looking at HX crew ad at facebook [ https://www.facebook.com/HKAFOP/ ]. quicker command in 2 years time !
Of Note , from HKA Facebook site, is that there's now a new recruitment category:

" New- Direct Entry A350 - Hong Kong Licence holder"

However, No link given. Or should I be looged in to FB?

Its separate to the A350 DEFO rated ad, and therefore would indicate DEC / DEFO to none rated crew?

Some KA A330 guys are pricking up their ears
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 02:57
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Originally Posted by RAT Management
So full of crap. It's just not funny anymore. I don't think you even believe the crap you write. COCK! That's all you are.
Strike a nerve? Must be onto something.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 21:33
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Dear Anna

Here is a novel idea and will easily improve the CX/Swire bottom line massively and without spending a penny..

STOP getting Fuc**** sued and spending billions on fines for corruption/price fixing/busting labor/tax laws etc. This will additionally and immediately cut corporate legal fees by about 95% (i.e. 95% of your legal fees are spent trying to defend CX in law suits worldwide)

Just Do It !!

"Time to Win" (court cases)
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 05:47
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The company's position is ridiculous and singling out one group to meet the accountants cost cutting even more ridiculous.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 19:20
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Originally Posted by Uberskyjockey
The company's position is ridiculous and singling out one group to meet the accountants cost cutting even more ridiculous.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
gee thanks for giving my job away, love you too!
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 04:01
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Lets be clear

Let's be clear the attack on FOP means "the pilots'. ISD is not part of FOP so the cabin crew are also being excluded from these proposed cuts. The FOP managers have already been promised their packages will remain intact. The question is why ?

Well, if you were CX management you would tackle the poorest represented, most fragmented, least well informed and most career minded group you could find. Answer pilots.

This year it will be CX pilots and next year CX based pilots and then KA pilots.

They will not take on the FAU who immediately threaten to stop work and this is a lesson the HKAOA refuses to learn. Negotiations require a mutual respect for each others position. The company has ZERO respect for the amateurs in the AOA and consequently will walk all over them and us.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 04:54
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Originally Posted by Uberskyjockey
The company's position is ridiculous and singling out one group to meet the accountants cost cutting even more ridiculous.
An airline needs pilots. Not caterers, check in, bus divers, secretaries, security, accountants, engineers. These can ALL be out sourced but an airline needs pilots.
What an odd thing to say.

Sorry spanners he doesn't speak for the majority of us.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 05:57
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Every airline is a reflection of the place it originates from.

For many, Donkey Kong has turned into an unsustainable, unaffordable and toxic city.

A place, which is run by a small, corrupt, cleptocratic and incompetent 'elite'.

Now, you do your maths about its future, (and your own) in this dying city (airline).
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 08:33
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Dear Anna
Almost half of the Pilots I fly with are looking for another job.
Do you know that & don't care ? or did you not know that ?
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 10:59
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They will care if they have to cancel flights al la Ryanair. It will hit their bonuses.
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