Dear Anna
Adding insult to injury Traf, in last Friday's Flyer she acknowledged the retirement of two gentlemen. For the most long serving (at 28 years) she could not get his military service nor the types flown as a Commander with CX correct!
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Although we have bigger issues to battle at the moment, the point being raised here speaks volumes as to the reason this company, and particularly Flt Ops and employee relations are so dysfunctional. If managers spend every waking hour complaining about their staff, not appreciating their efforts and skills, and in particular focusing all their attention on 'getting back' at said staff, you end up with the unholy mess that is CX. Well done Swires. :/
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Traf is right. And further to that point, why would anyone wish to tie the future of their careers, and the future of their families to a company that has demonstrated for over TWENTY years that they have no regard for their staff, their hopes and desires or their overall well-being ? The only sane option is to seek out a better employer and a better place to live. Those that live with false hope that CX will ever get better will be sadly disillusioned.
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There is a lot of ill feeling and stress on the Flight deck these days due to what is happening.
I hope when the next inflammatory stressful email comes out, all 2800 pilots will do the professional and responsible thing....(whether you read it or not)
Edited for BCs purpose..
I hope when the next inflammatory stressful email comes out, all 2800 pilots will do the professional and responsible thing....(whether you read it or not)
Edited for BCs purpose..
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I agree. The next email or Friday Flyer will do it. Otherwise you can guarantee you will not have a career worth saving. Ask some of the older pilots how effective this strategy was back in 98/99. It is the only thing these self-serving managers will understand.
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I for one won't be booking off sick. Why? you ask....
Because I don't read the Friday Liar, and didn't read that recent email from The Emu. So, my stress levels are way down.
Stop reading that crap. If it's not in the ops manual, or FCOM, or an NTC, it's not worth the stress. Try it. Seriously, try it. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made.
Because I don't read the Friday Liar, and didn't read that recent email from The Emu. So, my stress levels are way down.
Stop reading that crap. If it's not in the ops manual, or FCOM, or an NTC, it's not worth the stress. Try it. Seriously, try it. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made.
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So when the nazis were threatening the U.K, and Churchill was warning of the danger, you would have ignored his advice (or not even taken the time to read it). Ok, there's always going to be one idiot putting his head in the sand. I'm sure AT appreciates you declaring you won't go sick.
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I watched I.T the other night. Not as good as the original. Wife asked me would I sh1t myself if I suddenly saw a Clown in the street.
Guess what I told her...
(Punchlines on a Post card please)
Guess what I told her...
(Punchlines on a Post card please)
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Dear Anna,
it is obvious to us, that your own survival here depends very much on a concession made by us. Your pilots.
But guess what, Anna. It ain't happening. Not even a tiny little concession. You know why?
Even though your glossy charts suggest otherwise (only because you forgot to consider inflation), the average pilot today costs you only a fraction of what it did 15 years ago, due to lack of proper housing/payrise/profit sharing etc etc., and all that while we are based in the most expensive city on this planet.
At the same time however, you managed to increase the average productivity per pilot significantly.
People work more for less.
You get the picture, Anna, don't you?! No concessions from us. Because they were made already over the years.
You dig your filthy hands a tiny bit deeper into our pokets, and we will close this freak show of an airline down for you.
You will see, Anna.
it is obvious to us, that your own survival here depends very much on a concession made by us. Your pilots.
But guess what, Anna. It ain't happening. Not even a tiny little concession. You know why?
Even though your glossy charts suggest otherwise (only because you forgot to consider inflation), the average pilot today costs you only a fraction of what it did 15 years ago, due to lack of proper housing/payrise/profit sharing etc etc., and all that while we are based in the most expensive city on this planet.
At the same time however, you managed to increase the average productivity per pilot significantly.
People work more for less.
You get the picture, Anna, don't you?! No concessions from us. Because they were made already over the years.
You dig your filthy hands a tiny bit deeper into our pokets, and we will close this freak show of an airline down for you.
You will see, Anna.
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Doesn't make me wonder at all Frank!
The fact that in depth details have been kept deliberately vague would cause most enquiring minds to quickly make up their mind about the issue.
And as for the recently departed individual, who was mentioned by MillWorker to be ideal for the job, in many respects yes, there are many who would agree. However, the position is a somewhat adversarial role, and the gentleman in question has people skills, morals and loyalty in spades, that alone would make him over qualified for such a position. An absolute gentleman.
The fact that in depth details have been kept deliberately vague would cause most enquiring minds to quickly make up their mind about the issue.
And as for the recently departed individual, who was mentioned by MillWorker to be ideal for the job, in many respects yes, there are many who would agree. However, the position is a somewhat adversarial role, and the gentleman in question has people skills, morals and loyalty in spades, that alone would make him over qualified for such a position. An absolute gentleman.
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[QUOTE=Strewth;9890575]Head of Flight Crew Employee Relations CX Job portal 110917[/QUOTE
Looks like lots of targeted recruiting......
Flight Crew People Services Manager (Absence) - Cathay Pacific Cathay Pacific
Location: Hong Kong
Job type: Permanent
Sector: Flight Crew
Job Role: Senior Manager Jobs
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Location: Hong Kong
Department: Flight Operations
Reports to: Head of Flight Crew People Services
Purpose:
* To maintain oversight of the entire Absence Management function and team, and ensure jurisdictional compliance of the relevant Absence Management / Attendance Policies and Processes, relevant Sick Leave policies and Medical Clearances in conjunction with the Cathay Pacific or Cathay Dragon People Services Manager.
* To provide support to all areas of the Absence Management Team (AMT), and assist where necessary.
* To be responsible for identifying potential areas of automation and improvement where possible, to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the team.
* To provide regular reports and updates to the Head of Flight Crew People Services.
Responsibilities:
* Maintain oversight and management of the Absence Management Team (AMT)
* Update Senior Management on significant absence and sickness related matters
* Accountable for the effective execution and management of the Pilots Absence / Attendance Management policies / processes and relevant Sick Leave policies. Where areas of improvement have been identified, the AMT Manager will be responsible for driving these efficiency improvement projects
* Monitor absence trends in all jurisdictions, manage all absence related issues and drive actions to resolve trends and issues where necessary. Strive to achieve the agreed sickness rate target for each year to minimise manpower costs
* Document and review patterned Long Term Sick
* Represent the Absence Management Team to work in partnership with Corporate Medical and the Fleet Office on Flight Crew’s sickness and absence related issues. Attend review meetings with Flight Crew under the ‘Stages’ of the Absence / Attendance Management policies if required.
* Advise Flight Crew on absence and sickness policies, and the Medical Clearance process. Ensure the effective education of Flight Crew in their obligations to Cathay Pacific or Cathay Dragon and the Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD) in regards to absence. This includes documentation and reporting requirements.
* Handle difficult questions, and manage these situations through influencing and education. Liaise with Fleet Office in situations that require further attention and care from the Flight Crew People Services Managers.
* Work with service providers with the objective of reviewing or formulating new strategies to address absence issues.
* Maintain and update letter templates to be sent to Flight Crew in the event of noncompliance or required follow up.
* Assist the Absence Management Executive in the oversight of sick allowance payments.
* Support the Absence Management Executive in ensuring that the Medical Clearance process is managed effectively, and minimise roster disruptions.
* Provide additional necessary support to the AMT where required.
* Carry out any other duties as assigned by Head of Flight Crew People Services.
* Preserve the confidentiality of privileged, sensitive or otherwise confidential company and individual employee information.
Requirements:
* University degree in HR or related discipline.
* Minimum 8 years of airline or professional experience working with people of different levels and cultural backgrounds.
* At least 5 years of previous leadership and people management experience, ideally in multinational organisations.
* Solid experience working in a collaborative environment, with the ability to effectively interact with management teams at all levels of seniority.
* Good knowledge of the relevant ordinances and best practices to ensure legal and contractual compliance. Knowledge on other countries’ legislation will be an added advantage.
* Knowledge of pilots’ policies and procedures, and a good understanding of the pilots’ culture would be an advantage.
* Strong communication, influencing and interpersonal skills.
* A strong driver of change and development.
* Excellent command of spoken and written English.
* Computer literacy, proficient in MS Office applications.
Competencies:
* Setting Directions
* Leading and engaging teams
* Driving business performance and change
* Developing and recognizing others
Application Deadline: 8 Sep 2017
Cathay Pacific is an Equal Opportunities Employer. Personal data provided by job applicants will be used strictly in accordance with our personal data policy and for recruitment purposes only. Candidates not notified within eight weeks may consider their application unsuccessful. All related information will be kept in our file for up to 24 months. A copy of our Personal Information Collection Statement will be provided upon request by contacting our Data Protection Officer.
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Looks like lots of targeted recruiting......
Flight Crew People Services Manager (Absence) - Cathay Pacific Cathay Pacific
Location: Hong Kong
Job type: Permanent
Sector: Flight Crew
Job Role: Senior Manager Jobs
Can't apply View similar
Location: Hong Kong
Department: Flight Operations
Reports to: Head of Flight Crew People Services
Purpose:
* To maintain oversight of the entire Absence Management function and team, and ensure jurisdictional compliance of the relevant Absence Management / Attendance Policies and Processes, relevant Sick Leave policies and Medical Clearances in conjunction with the Cathay Pacific or Cathay Dragon People Services Manager.
* To provide support to all areas of the Absence Management Team (AMT), and assist where necessary.
* To be responsible for identifying potential areas of automation and improvement where possible, to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the team.
* To provide regular reports and updates to the Head of Flight Crew People Services.
Responsibilities:
* Maintain oversight and management of the Absence Management Team (AMT)
* Update Senior Management on significant absence and sickness related matters
* Accountable for the effective execution and management of the Pilots Absence / Attendance Management policies / processes and relevant Sick Leave policies. Where areas of improvement have been identified, the AMT Manager will be responsible for driving these efficiency improvement projects
* Monitor absence trends in all jurisdictions, manage all absence related issues and drive actions to resolve trends and issues where necessary. Strive to achieve the agreed sickness rate target for each year to minimise manpower costs
* Document and review patterned Long Term Sick
* Represent the Absence Management Team to work in partnership with Corporate Medical and the Fleet Office on Flight Crew’s sickness and absence related issues. Attend review meetings with Flight Crew under the ‘Stages’ of the Absence / Attendance Management policies if required.
* Advise Flight Crew on absence and sickness policies, and the Medical Clearance process. Ensure the effective education of Flight Crew in their obligations to Cathay Pacific or Cathay Dragon and the Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD) in regards to absence. This includes documentation and reporting requirements.
* Handle difficult questions, and manage these situations through influencing and education. Liaise with Fleet Office in situations that require further attention and care from the Flight Crew People Services Managers.
* Work with service providers with the objective of reviewing or formulating new strategies to address absence issues.
* Maintain and update letter templates to be sent to Flight Crew in the event of noncompliance or required follow up.
* Assist the Absence Management Executive in the oversight of sick allowance payments.
* Support the Absence Management Executive in ensuring that the Medical Clearance process is managed effectively, and minimise roster disruptions.
* Provide additional necessary support to the AMT where required.
* Carry out any other duties as assigned by Head of Flight Crew People Services.
* Preserve the confidentiality of privileged, sensitive or otherwise confidential company and individual employee information.
Requirements:
* University degree in HR or related discipline.
* Minimum 8 years of airline or professional experience working with people of different levels and cultural backgrounds.
* At least 5 years of previous leadership and people management experience, ideally in multinational organisations.
* Solid experience working in a collaborative environment, with the ability to effectively interact with management teams at all levels of seniority.
* Good knowledge of the relevant ordinances and best practices to ensure legal and contractual compliance. Knowledge on other countries’ legislation will be an added advantage.
* Knowledge of pilots’ policies and procedures, and a good understanding of the pilots’ culture would be an advantage.
* Strong communication, influencing and interpersonal skills.
* A strong driver of change and development.
* Excellent command of spoken and written English.
* Computer literacy, proficient in MS Office applications.
Competencies:
* Setting Directions
* Leading and engaging teams
* Driving business performance and change
* Developing and recognizing others
Application Deadline: 8 Sep 2017
Cathay Pacific is an Equal Opportunities Employer. Personal data provided by job applicants will be used strictly in accordance with our personal data policy and for recruitment purposes only. Candidates not notified within eight weeks may consider their application unsuccessful. All related information will be kept in our file for up to 24 months. A copy of our Personal Information Collection Statement will be provided upon request by contacting our Data Protection Officer.
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Ryanair cancelling up to 50 flights a day for 6 weeks due crews having to have annual leave. I guess that's because salary's aren't high enough to keep pilots (off to other airlines)and recruit sufficient new ones. Perhaps AT could learn from this!!!!
