Anna's Antics
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These folks have plenty of education (for what that's worth) and have been given all kinds of sage advice as to how to right the ship. Folks have even called pitfalls and blunders before they've happened and suggested ways to fix problems.
It's been ignored.
I believe that's usually called willful or culpable negligence in most places. And there's been a strong degree of proactivity in alienating people and proactivity in destroying things that have been working. These decisions didn't just happen; they were imposed after deliberation.
You can kinda forgive ineptitude; some poor slob trying his or her best and just not making it.
But willful negligence is something different entirely.
Kinda like in your example--you're going out for a night at the brothel. You run into one of your friends and announce your intentions.
He (or she) says "That's great--hope you have a wonderful time. Pick any hooker except Tiffany; I know for a fact she has the clap and here's a copy the last medical inspection which was done and proves it."
"OK"
Your friend later asks "How was the big night ?"
"Well, not so good--I went with this girl named Tiffany and got the clap."
<facepalm>
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Can we please end this farce called High Performance Engagement and Colaborative Problem solving?
Firstly, the day before the process began they announce two second officers per flight; now in the middle of the negotiations they announce massive pay cuts....but do it in a kind voice, asking that we accept the cuts, in a "collaborative" spirit....
Walk away.
Firstly, the day before the process began they announce two second officers per flight; now in the middle of the negotiations they announce massive pay cuts....but do it in a kind voice, asking that we accept the cuts, in a "collaborative" spirit....
Walk away.
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To the GC: The company has violated any sense of impartiality regarding HPE by releasing this letter in the middle of these sham negotiations. It's time to walk away, and ballot the membership for an increase of CC. This company's management is not fit for purpose.
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Betpump, so true.
RF was a worry for the company, as he was consistent, logical, very measured, and smart.
That's why I query whether the membership is smart enough to resist the forthcoming company begging bowl in one hand and gun in the other.
After all, DS managed to hoodwink a good many of the membership to vote for him. What does that say about our collective smarts in being able to counter CX who already have all the steps in their playbook written down, rehearsed and put into play.
Having been here 30 years, they are predictable in their methods. They already know where they will end up, the current HPE and subsequent letter from AT are just pre-amble, conditioning, expectation management that follows the usual and predictable approach.
They'll have the usual press releases, we've cut management positions, everyone else is pay frozen, pilots earn $blah$, we'd like them to help pull the company through these lean times. All designed to remove any public support for the pilots.
Wouldn't surprise me if as part of the ARAPA dismantling, CX choose to provide some HKPA incentive for those signing on to C&T in an attempt to revive the negligible (bar ADL/AKL questionables) training captain applicants.
Stand by for smoke & mirrors mixed with divide & conquer mixed with a little old fashioned Swire arrogance in the very near future.
And bar having a sizeable team of forensic accountants going through the company and group records, I would treat any minor 3rd party accountant just being given a glimpse of the few areas the company wish to show, with a great deal of suspicion.
Remember, once the finite fuel hedging losses are over, by 2018/19, the core business is still, and should continue to make a profit.
Smoke & mirrors!
RF was a worry for the company, as he was consistent, logical, very measured, and smart.
That's why I query whether the membership is smart enough to resist the forthcoming company begging bowl in one hand and gun in the other.
After all, DS managed to hoodwink a good many of the membership to vote for him. What does that say about our collective smarts in being able to counter CX who already have all the steps in their playbook written down, rehearsed and put into play.
Having been here 30 years, they are predictable in their methods. They already know where they will end up, the current HPE and subsequent letter from AT are just pre-amble, conditioning, expectation management that follows the usual and predictable approach.
They'll have the usual press releases, we've cut management positions, everyone else is pay frozen, pilots earn $blah$, we'd like them to help pull the company through these lean times. All designed to remove any public support for the pilots.
Wouldn't surprise me if as part of the ARAPA dismantling, CX choose to provide some HKPA incentive for those signing on to C&T in an attempt to revive the negligible (bar ADL/AKL questionables) training captain applicants.
Stand by for smoke & mirrors mixed with divide & conquer mixed with a little old fashioned Swire arrogance in the very near future.
And bar having a sizeable team of forensic accountants going through the company and group records, I would treat any minor 3rd party accountant just being given a glimpse of the few areas the company wish to show, with a great deal of suspicion.
Remember, once the finite fuel hedging losses are over, by 2018/19, the core business is still, and should continue to make a profit.
Smoke & mirrors!
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Is this shot across the bow consistent within current talk guidelines?
No comment yet from the AOA, not even a sentiment, it must have been a surprise.
If this was the end-game, what is the rebuttal being worked on by the AOA?
Why isn't KA getting lumped into this as we are one big family now?
Why is the burden on the HKG based guys/gals?
What about opening more bases if the HKG base is so expensive?
With a management this f-ed up, we should be happy this airline survives.
No comment yet from the AOA, not even a sentiment, it must have been a surprise.
If this was the end-game, what is the rebuttal being worked on by the AOA?
Why isn't KA getting lumped into this as we are one big family now?
Why is the burden on the HKG based guys/gals?
What about opening more bases if the HKG base is so expensive?
With a management this f-ed up, we should be happy this airline survives.
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Longtime has hit the nail on the head.
DS needs to resign/step aside immediately, if he's not fit to be at work the question needs to be asked if he's fit to be at the helm of the AOA , right now with this NUKE that has just launched .And the same goes for any other members of the GC who are presently ' U '.
Perhaps RF can fill a gap in the GC pronto.
DS needs to resign/step aside immediately, if he's not fit to be at work the question needs to be asked if he's fit to be at the helm of the AOA , right now with this NUKE that has just launched .And the same goes for any other members of the GC who are presently ' U '.
Perhaps RF can fill a gap in the GC pronto.
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Yep....the vote was bogus alright. PV endorsed the fake candidate, GF, in a very public newsletter, thus dividing the vote, and DS slid in. Remember that?
It will be remembered in years to come as the biggest mistake in HKAOA history.
It will be remembered in years to come as the biggest mistake in HKAOA history.
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So GF was the Ross Perot and DS is Bill Clinton. As they say, elections have consequences.
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Yep....the vote was bogus alright. PV endorsed the fake candidate, GF, in a very public newsletter, thus dividing the vote, and DS slid in. Remember that?
It will be remembered in years to come as the biggest mistake in HKAOA history.
It will be remembered in years to come as the biggest mistake in HKAOA history.
How that was allowed without any repercussion against PV is beyond my understanding.
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A recruitment ban !
I almost spat my coffee!
The real elephant in the room
SSI's and Trainers
Are trainers the only trick left in the book ? Yes . Will they throw it in ? Hell no.
We are done, brace for the pineapple.
I almost spat my coffee!
The real elephant in the room
SSI's and Trainers
Are trainers the only trick left in the book ? Yes . Will they throw it in ? Hell no.
We are done, brace for the pineapple.
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Recruitment ban "kinda" worked when we only took experienced guys who "kinda" understood the spirit of why a recruitment ban was taking place (of course some ignored it).
Doubt the new breed will understand the sentiment.
Doubt the new breed will understand the sentiment.
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And what happened to all the ban breakers who joined during the last ban? Most are now Captains with a 2 year seniority lead over those who respected the ban.
Fooled me once.
Fooled me once.
Exactly Ken. Strange that when during a worldwide pilot shortage and pilot pay going up, CX think it a good idea to reduce pay. Morale is already rock bottom and if only a quarter of the pilots who are talking about leaving actually do, then aircraft are going to be parked. There are a lot of jobs out there.