KA's Parallel Seniority
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KA's Parallel Seniority
With the mass exodus of KA FOP management to CX city today, and the forthcoming move of all Dragon pilots and cabin crew to check in @ CX city , does this mean that the "Parallel " seniority will be envisaged by the start of 2018?
This scheme, that was first muted a few years ago on the full integration of joint FOP , could now be just around the corner for all concerned.
The parallel scheme, purely voluntary at the moment , proposes that crew keep their current seniority standing in their respective employers, but have the right to join a parallel or ghosting seniority . Its like a one glove fits all senario , but details are scarce.
Additionally, new joiners will be assigned two galaxy IDs to allow parity for future migration into , as yet , undocumented common seniority.
This scheme, that was first muted a few years ago on the full integration of joint FOP , could now be just around the corner for all concerned.
The parallel scheme, purely voluntary at the moment , proposes that crew keep their current seniority standing in their respective employers, but have the right to join a parallel or ghosting seniority . Its like a one glove fits all senario , but details are scarce.
Additionally, new joiners will be assigned two galaxy IDs to allow parity for future migration into , as yet , undocumented common seniority.
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This will be interesting.....
It's like the proverbial elephant in the room - it's been there for a while, but it didn't bother anyone, so nobody did anything about it, other than wondering how the f@ck it got there without anyone really noticing it, but it's getting bigger and probably needs addressing sooner rather than later.
It's like the proverbial elephant in the room - it's been there for a while, but it didn't bother anyone, so nobody did anything about it, other than wondering how the f@ck it got there without anyone really noticing it, but it's getting bigger and probably needs addressing sooner rather than later.
I Suppose the DPA and HKAOA might actually have to acknowledge the others existence and start working together?
Union collaboration and mutual support should have been happening since the day CX gained ownership.
Union collaboration and mutual support should have been happening since the day CX gained ownership.
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So joint seniority - meaning if the next Command course is on a A321, a CX pilot would be eligible? Will said Captain be sitting next to KA FO who is being paid for 8 hours waiting for a slot to Chengdu while Captain is not?
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You are looking at this issue in black and white. Its unlikly that CX and KA crews will be mixed up considering their respective different COS .
However, a combined contract, offered to those @ CX&Ka who are willing repeal their current TnC's would level the playing field. They would then be rostered according to their new joint COS.
However, a combined contract, offered to those @ CX&Ka who are willing repeal their current TnC's would level the playing field. They would then be rostered according to their new joint COS.
Think we are still awhile off a joint seniority but as far as flying with different contracts, we do it already in KA with still 3 contracts in effect right now..
I can't see what the issue is if they add another one..
I can't see what the issue is if they add another one..
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We have ONE seniority list at Cathay yet a junior guy can still trump a senior guy of 25 years to better rosters/fleet.
And they think combining two airlines will work? Yeah OK...
And they think combining two airlines will work? Yeah OK...
Our trainer membership in the DPA is beyond 90% - higher for what's left of management believe it or not. In fact, some guys are only in the training department because of their DPA involvement. We have quite the club over here at KA. Perhaps the party is over?
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KA pilots gets paid more than CX pilots, have better benefits, and are more expensive and are less productive.
CX and KA share the same terminal as well, the same runways, etc fact that KA will be housed inside CX city means nothing. It is just sharing office space, KA guys are salivating at the bit and making rumors up.
Under CAD 360 each AOC holder must have its own briefing room. Each AOC holder MUST have their OWN pilots, you cannot "lead" pilots from one AOC holder to the other, they physically have to be inducted into the other AOC. That is exactly what has happened before when CX managers went to KA, when KA pilots came to CX (they had to do another conversion course, emergency procedures, line checks etc). Same happened when CX SO went to KA to do their FO upgrades.
Fact is that CX wanted to have no dispatch area at all (they closed it during SARS as a cost savings), they wanted everyone to go straight to the aircraft (which CX trialed this years on a number of flights) as running the security clearance at CX city and KA house costs millions . They have reduced that now by having CX/KA share the same security screening. HKIA said they could not accept crews going straight to the aircraft for the foreseeable future due to T2 being demolished and T1 going into over load.
Do you know that the CX benefits center is being moved to KA house ? and all they will have in CX city is computer terminals for staff to interact with ? They are making it harder for staff to access benefits to reduce costs.
Everything is about reducing costs, not improving things for staff.
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Or let's do your Australia flying in exchange for China and see where your efficiencies lead to. And what kind of an industrial campaign has you so efficient btw?
The local contract is fast becoming dominant at KA. Our aircraft are being rapidly crewed in both seats in this manner. Is this the contract that is far superior to CX? Apples and oranges eh.
The local contract is fast becoming dominant at KA. Our aircraft are being rapidly crewed in both seats in this manner. Is this the contract that is far superior to CX? Apples and oranges eh.
The dwindling amount of guys on KA B scale had to pay for the privilege of you now having priority to CTU. 
Can someone tell me, is a CX contract really worse that a KA Standard Contract ( no housing ) ? The KA Standard Contract is fast becoming dominant. Every command, every new joiner and at the same time, we have noticeable attrition from the KA B Scale.
It just sounds like some CX pilots with their half-assed industrial campaign are trying to blame others for lack of results.
Can someone tell me, is a CX contract really worse that a KA Standard Contract ( no housing ) ? The KA Standard Contract is fast becoming dominant. Every command, every new joiner and at the same time, we have noticeable attrition from the KA B Scale.
It just sounds like some CX pilots with their half-assed industrial campaign are trying to blame others for lack of results.