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Air China is not even close to being the largest carrier in the world. Even if they bought CX outright, they still would not be anywhere close. That is considering passengers carried, fleet size, revenue, employees etc. etc.. Not even close. American Airlines is, by far, the worlds largest carrier. Not that it means anything to be the worlds largest carrier. For pilots, pay and quality of life are all that matter, and once again, Air China does not come anywhere close.
I see only two problems with that:
A) HKA/HNA group hasn't figured that out yet and they probably never will.
Imagine HKA offering part time, commuting rosters, you name it.
Imagine HKA treating their staff with respect instead of Cathay's 'CAN NOT' stone age attitude.
The truth is, at the moment HKA is the same as Cathay when it comes to management/staff relations, therefore it is not a solution.
B) Who has more influence in Beijing, Air China or HNA ?
Probably there is more behind the mutual ties between Cathay and Air China than pure business reasons.
With the stake of Air China Cathay bought political influence in Beijing as well.
Air China is their flag carrier and has the potential to become the biggest airline in the world (after a Cathay takeover, which might be the long term plan).
Following business news quite a few deals planned by the HNA group were blocked by Beijing over the last few months.
So if HKA really posed a threat to Cathay at some stage I wouldn't be surprised if Beijing intervenes.
A) HKA/HNA group hasn't figured that out yet and they probably never will.
Imagine HKA offering part time, commuting rosters, you name it.
Imagine HKA treating their staff with respect instead of Cathay's 'CAN NOT' stone age attitude.
The truth is, at the moment HKA is the same as Cathay when it comes to management/staff relations, therefore it is not a solution.
B) Who has more influence in Beijing, Air China or HNA ?
Probably there is more behind the mutual ties between Cathay and Air China than pure business reasons.
With the stake of Air China Cathay bought political influence in Beijing as well.
Air China is their flag carrier and has the potential to become the biggest airline in the world (after a Cathay takeover, which might be the long term plan).
Following business news quite a few deals planned by the HNA group were blocked by Beijing over the last few months.
So if HKA really posed a threat to Cathay at some stage I wouldn't be surprised if Beijing intervenes.
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If myopic, short term management of a situation which benefits very few in the near term at the expense of a much larger group in the longer term; then the parallels are profound.
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Back to the thread topic: And here it is arriving. It's a shame one of the fire-trucks squirted water into the APU intake causing it to flame out and the welcoming committee sat there scratching their heads wondering why the engines weren't shut down.
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And in the distance there's lurking B-HLK, the 25 year old A330 jalopy, being flogged by KA on yet another Ka904.
LOL. Who's "time to win" now?
Oh and to the CX rated guys, get in line as HKA are only taking A330 rated guys. CCQ internally. Plenty of MAS pilots already singing up . Long Que. stay where u are , negative flyers not needed . Lol.
LOL. Who's "time to win" now?
Oh and to the CX rated guys, get in line as HKA are only taking A330 rated guys. CCQ internally. Plenty of MAS pilots already singing up . Long Que. stay where u are , negative flyers not needed . Lol.
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Trafalgar,
The RA55 individuals had a choice whether to work another 10 years or go at 55. The RA 55 was attractive to most of us to keep the travel fund. Now these same pilots are complaining about having to go at 55? Give me a break.
Oh they are trainers? How will we ever cope with them leaving?
This is how it works, line Capt becomes a TC, TC becomes an STC and the big wheel keeps on turning. None of you trainers are nearly as valuable as you think you are.
Get over yourself
The RA55 individuals had a choice whether to work another 10 years or go at 55. The RA 55 was attractive to most of us to keep the travel fund. Now these same pilots are complaining about having to go at 55? Give me a break.
Oh they are trainers? How will we ever cope with them leaving?
This is how it works, line Capt becomes a TC, TC becomes an STC and the big wheel keeps on turning. None of you trainers are nearly as valuable as you think you are.
Get over yourself
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Not hard to look up stats on the internet. None of them back up Air China being remotely close.
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It wasn't just the travel fund. There was, for many, a choice of either keeping bypass pay or losing it by signing up to retire at age sixty five.
A choice! We expect our contracts to be honoured so why should this aspect of an employment contract be any different?
A choice! We expect our contracts to be honoured so why should this aspect of an employment contract be any different?
Trafalgar,
The RA55 individuals had a choice whether to work another 10 years or go at 55. The RA 55 was attractive to most of us to keep the travel fund. Now these same pilots are complaining about having to go at 55? Give me a break.
Oh they are trainers? How will we ever cope with them leaving?
This is how it works, line Capt becomes a TC, TC becomes an STC and the big wheel keeps on turning. None of you trainers are nearly as valuable as you think you are.
Get over yourself
The RA55 individuals had a choice whether to work another 10 years or go at 55. The RA 55 was attractive to most of us to keep the travel fund. Now these same pilots are complaining about having to go at 55? Give me a break.
Oh they are trainers? How will we ever cope with them leaving?
This is how it works, line Capt becomes a TC, TC becomes an STC and the big wheel keeps on turning. None of you trainers are nearly as valuable as you think you are.
Get over yourself
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Someone posted a rather nice photo of the a350 n all you guys talk about is your fat arsed pensions. WTF. Every thread on here is dragged to the bottom of the barrel by the usual suspects. Who really love the fact they pertain to work for CX.
WTF.
Lets see who's still got a smarmy grin on their faces when the 15 th HKA a350 arrives. I hear theres no xtra month for you bitche$?? LOL
WTF.
Lets see who's still got a smarmy grin on their faces when the 15 th HKA a350 arrives. I hear theres no xtra month for you bitche$?? LOL
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Hong Kong Airlines - A320 Captains
Base: Hong Kong
Requires: 1000 hours PIC in type. 3,000 hours jet PIC, age under 57 years old at start of assignment, current on the A320 within the preceding 12 months. Compensation: $15,957 per month USD per month plus overtime. Performance Bonus: (paid annually based on personal performance): 1st anniversary after line check: $6,450 USD, 2nd anniversary after line check: $12,900 USD, 3rd anniversary after line check: $19,350 USD. Contract term: 3 years (renewable)
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Requires: 1000 hours PIC in type. 3,000 hours jet PIC, age under 57 years old at start of assignment, current on the A320 within the preceding 12 months. Compensation: $15,957 per month USD per month plus overtime. Performance Bonus: (paid annually based on personal performance): 1st anniversary after line check: $6,450 USD, 2nd anniversary after line check: $12,900 USD, 3rd anniversary after line check: $19,350 USD. Contract term: 3 years (renewable)
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I noticed from PCC that the a350 firm orders have risen to 21. Also, The HKA CEO has also confirmed that a new type is also being looked at.
So how are CX responding? Looks like a serious haircut for all our regular pprune posters over @ at B1tche$ city.
Das Heiress Anna says: Its time for ... Pay and Increment Freezes, Changes in EFP (i.e. reductions) Prov Fund Changes (i.e. reductions), Rostering practices (i.e. more hours & higher OT threashold)
Of graver concern is the focus on expat pilots in CX, the realisation that basically CX no longer cares for their incumbents , earning above "market rates". The guys are also getting way too much fat cat accommodation assistance.
Time to move. Time to downsize. Welcome to the real world guys, LOL.
So how are CX responding? Looks like a serious haircut for all our regular pprune posters over @ at B1tche$ city.
Das Heiress Anna says: Its time for ... Pay and Increment Freezes, Changes in EFP (i.e. reductions) Prov Fund Changes (i.e. reductions), Rostering practices (i.e. more hours & higher OT threashold)
Of graver concern is the focus on expat pilots in CX, the realisation that basically CX no longer cares for their incumbents , earning above "market rates". The guys are also getting way too much fat cat accommodation assistance.
Time to move. Time to downsize. Welcome to the real world guys, LOL.
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It's your crappy contract...the one you accepted...that is the "market" force that Cathay is responding to. Thanks...I guess. It appears that soon our conditions may sink down to your level....Bit*h.
On the other hand, for you, I suppose it's a good thing that Cathay turned you down. LOL
It's your crappy contract...the one you accepted...that is the "market" force that Cathay is responding to. Thanks...I guess. It appears that soon our conditions may sink down to your level....Bit*h.
On the other hand, for you, I suppose it's a good thing that Cathay turned you down. LOL
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Hong Kong Airlines? You've got to be kidding me right? A crap airline who would give the lunatics running Cathay/Dragon a run for their money.
And I'm earning double what I would be at HKA. They'd have to up the package a bit, and then even then I'd be wary.
To give you some idea; I'm seriously considering a 60 percent pay cut to go back to Europe/UK and fly for a proper airline with 1st world employment rules.
So why would I take a paycut to go from the frying pan into the frier?
No thanks, I'll stick to my 200,000 hkd per month for 40 hours flying.
But the South Americans and other dregs of aviation seem to be queuing up.
And I'm earning double what I would be at HKA. They'd have to up the package a bit, and then even then I'd be wary.
To give you some idea; I'm seriously considering a 60 percent pay cut to go back to Europe/UK and fly for a proper airline with 1st world employment rules.
So why would I take a paycut to go from the frying pan into the frier?
No thanks, I'll stick to my 200,000 hkd per month for 40 hours flying.
But the South Americans and other dregs of aviation seem to be queuing up.
