Anna's Friday Absurdity
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Anna's Friday Absurdity
Honestly, you cannot make this rubbish up. Her comment, "...it would have been only a tiny loss..." could have only been uttered by someone who is both a Swire sycophant and completely devoid of reality. Apparently, in Anna World, $2 BILLION loss on a single item is 'tiny'. I suppose when compared to their bonuses.... Seriously, is this what passes for intellectual debate in this circus of a company today? Anna, let me clarity this for you: if we didn't have to suffer,
a) Fuel Hedging Loss of 3.2 Billion (with a B)
b) Cash Hedge Loss of 4.0 Billion (with a B)
c) Cargo Cartel Fine of 0.5 Billion (with a B)
....we would have had a first half profit of close to $2 Billion ! Every SINGLE ONE OF THESE debacles have been due to YOUR management incompetence, arrogance and willful blindness as to what makes modern day airline management. Please, stop with the vacuous rhetoric which not a single person in this airline buys into anymore. We ALL realise that the real problem in this company is the incestuous and incompetent Swire management. If you people had simply done NOTHING we would be healthy and profitable. The fact is that ALL of our problems are due to you and your ilk. The employees are not and will not be held responsible for your failings. We have kept this airline operationally profitable and healthy and safe. You however represent a cancer that is eating this company from the inside out. We will all expect our full 13th month. Many of us are ready to pull the plug, and the resignation and retirement of the operational staff is just getting started. Just go away.
(and I might add that nearly every other airline in the world is enjoying healthy profits, increasing pay and benefits for their staff and NOT subjecting their employees to Alice in Wonderland nutcase newsletters)
a) Fuel Hedging Loss of 3.2 Billion (with a B)
b) Cash Hedge Loss of 4.0 Billion (with a B)
c) Cargo Cartel Fine of 0.5 Billion (with a B)
....we would have had a first half profit of close to $2 Billion ! Every SINGLE ONE OF THESE debacles have been due to YOUR management incompetence, arrogance and willful blindness as to what makes modern day airline management. Please, stop with the vacuous rhetoric which not a single person in this airline buys into anymore. We ALL realise that the real problem in this company is the incestuous and incompetent Swire management. If you people had simply done NOTHING we would be healthy and profitable. The fact is that ALL of our problems are due to you and your ilk. The employees are not and will not be held responsible for your failings. We have kept this airline operationally profitable and healthy and safe. You however represent a cancer that is eating this company from the inside out. We will all expect our full 13th month. Many of us are ready to pull the plug, and the resignation and retirement of the operational staff is just getting started. Just go away.
(and I might add that nearly every other airline in the world is enjoying healthy profits, increasing pay and benefits for their staff and NOT subjecting their employees to Alice in Wonderland nutcase newsletters)
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So, Comedian is an opinionated wannabe. At least we've cleared that up and can ignore him until he outgrows his short pants. Mngmt Mole distilled the problem down to it's factual basis. The company is being driven into the ground by an inept and arrogant cabal of incestuous muppets. The question is: will the management leave because they were fired, or will they leave because the company failed and there are no jobs left for anyone. Which will happen first. 
Owners will progressively move ops to dragon. Hence the name 'cathay' dragon to retain the legacy. Cathay assets ..what few there are..to be sold off..starting with sims. 777 fleet, which is mostly leased, reduced to zero.. some crews transferred to airbus.. redundancy and early retirement offered to the rest. Hotel retained. Dragon will pick up juiciest international destinations with 350's.. Mainline wound up right about the time the fuel hedge expires.
End of story.
End of story.
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"inept and arrogant cabal of incestuous muppets" , The CX trainers who perpetuate their own self interest ? Yep we know you guys. Such hard workers n so undervalued. LOL. ,
[QUOTE=ADFUS;9867216]Mmmm yes blunderbus, keep going. You should start writing erotic fan fiction.
And there's a lovely hole in the sand waiting for your head. Look at all the great airlines that could never fail even without political pressure from China...all gone and forgotten including ansett...who would ever have thought it would go? 15,000 souls on the street with no pensions ..all to satisfy the greed of two men. And delivered into destruction by one of our ex CEO 's. Some non descript Chinese company buys 5.5% of our stock in a day? Some SEC rules being sidestepped? Speculation? Sure.... but when did anyone here tell the truth or keep their promises? I'll put 1000$ US into an envelope and bet you're about to suffer a life changing event that could very well see your departure. Care to take the bet?
And there's a lovely hole in the sand waiting for your head. Look at all the great airlines that could never fail even without political pressure from China...all gone and forgotten including ansett...who would ever have thought it would go? 15,000 souls on the street with no pensions ..all to satisfy the greed of two men. And delivered into destruction by one of our ex CEO 's. Some non descript Chinese company buys 5.5% of our stock in a day? Some SEC rules being sidestepped? Speculation? Sure.... but when did anyone here tell the truth or keep their promises? I'll put 1000$ US into an envelope and bet you're about to suffer a life changing event that could very well see your departure. Care to take the bet?
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Regarding the currency hedge, I vaguely recall someone made a bad play on the Australian dollar about 10 years ago, but it was the daughter of a board member. I don't remember if it was directly impacted on Cathay Pacific or not.
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Anything is possible when it comes to airlines and the stupidity of those who manage them. History is littered with examples. However, it would take phenomenally bad management to put the last nail in CX's coffin. The business model exists in a robust marketplace. I'm not saying it can't happen, especially because our CX "leadership" has shown such extremely poor judgement over the last few years. That said, the notion that Dragon will take over whilst offering zero cost advantage and little growth potential is just silly. If anything, the market dominance that CX had even five years ago has dissipated and now looks quite vulnerable to competitors, even those whom traditionally could not dream of challenging CX meaningfully.
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At best, CX ends up as marginal pimple-arsed airline on the edge of China, pretending they are still a 'contender' in the big fight. The fatal mistake was made in the past 10 years. Once they saw off Oasis, and gobbled up Air Hong Kong, they sat around congratulating themselves and popping champagne corks. Convinced of their superiority, they didn't see the growing threat of HK Airlines, who have now grown to a size that is a direct threat to CX's business model. The other side of that coin is that the slots that HKA occupy are gone forever and have effectively corralled CX into a position that they can't grow themselves out of the mess they are in because the airport is now effectively at max capacity. Meanwhile, the mainland Chinese carriers are doubling every five years. CX is f......... Well done Swire/CX management. Here's to your bonuses
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At best, CX ends up as marginal pimple-arsed airline on the edge of China, pretending they are still a 'contender' in the big fight. The fatal mistake was made in the past 10 years. Once they saw off Oasis, and gobbled up Air Hong Kong, they sat around congratulating themselves and popping champagne corks. Convinced of their superiority, they didn't see the growing threat of HK Airlines, who have now grown to a size that is a direct threat to CX's business model. The other side of that coin is that the slots that HKA occupy are gone forever and have effectively corralled CX into a position that they can't grow themselves out of the mess they are in because the airport is now effectively at max capacity. Meanwhile, the mainland Chinese carriers are doubling every five years. CX is f......... Well done Swire/CX management. Here's to your bonuses
Contraction IMHO will be death; unless the plan is pump and dump--in which case it's still death (furthermore, I don't know where they might find a suitable suitor--then again I have no idea what we actually own or where the money really is; it COULD be as simple as selling a beer label and collecting the cash depending on the real asset distributions if it turns out there really isn't anything owned free and clear). You can't shrink your way into prosperity when (if true) the reports look like they do. So it's grow, fold, or sell (assuming there's no HKG version akin to Chapter 11 or a big daddy warbucks with a big bankrolll he doesn't mind blowing).
ONE option--and I don't have any idea how feasible it might be--is to cut the bases loose and man the shiite out of them. Establish them as independent organizations contracting to the parent (not unlike Compass, Envoy, or Republic contracting to American--with jets painted in an American like getup--but using the actual CX jets). The structure is kinda there already with the 'on shoring' process but kinda isn't as a real bona-fide organic (to the country) entity so there'd be some legal hoops to jump through and agreements with the parent corporation (but given how China loves shell corporations this shouldn't be beyond their capabilities). Offer DIRECT flights from these entities (bases) to other places which make real money which DON'T involve going through HKG--using current based crews and jets and rotating them back to home plate in time after they serve other direct destinations (bypassing HKG altogether). The independent organizations on the bases acquire the additional routing slots using CX jets but as organic separate corporations within the host nation (with some form of contract which allows this) and based crews (on an independent contract at the basing location which allows for scheduling by the parent corporation).
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Re: HK Airlines & HK Express - that would seem to be an argument in CX favour (vs the pilots) They have grown fast, offering much lower packages to crew.
Shep69 - interesting idea. This is the Jetstar/ Air Asia model, having separate companies in different countries, but all co-ordinated. So it definitely is legally feasible. Each entity would be a separate AOC, with aircraft leased from CX
Shep69 - interesting idea. This is the Jetstar/ Air Asia model, having separate companies in different countries, but all co-ordinated. So it definitely is legally feasible. Each entity would be a separate AOC, with aircraft leased from CX