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Old 10th Aug 2017, 20:18   #1 (permalink)
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Just heard a rumour that the California bases are under review as operating these bases might be cost prohibitive due to the current court case of some pilots vs CX.

I can't believe the rumour is true especially taking into consideration CX just onshored and negotiated a new CBA with the USAOA.

Any more info on this?
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 21:53   #2 (permalink)
 
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"I can't believe this is true"..... How long have you been here...?? Let me lay this out for you: CX gets challenged by some of it's employees. CX then gets a group of psychologists and managers together to design and implement a strategy to regain the upper hand. In this case, they know that all of the other CX pilots on US bases will put pressure on the few who have launched the legal action to rescind said action (something I have heard they will not consider). CX would rather close all the bases than have their employees winning lawsuits in each jurisdiction. Even though there is a cost benefit to basing's for the company, CX cares more about 'control' than 'cost'. They would shut the bases down if they felt it helped promote their overall agenda. In case it has been missed, many basing slots have been vacated, through resignations and retirements. The company doesn't seem that interested in filling them, so you can draw your own conclusion about their end game for the basing concept. Frankly, if anyone is holding out for a base, I suggest they go to work for a company in their home country. Otherwise, you will be a poor, miserable and bitter pilot in HK on local terms. Something to look forward to. The best time to get out is always soonest....as those that leave ahead of you will be senior to you in the new airline. CX is done, and all they need to do is turn the lights out.
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Lawsuit is from people that already left CX, I've been told, closing a base won't actually accomplish anything.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 02:28   #4 (permalink)
 
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Just take a look back to the dfos letter on the nyc t7 base, due to legal issues she didnt want to pursue that base. Couple that with A50 now flying to more of the usa ports and more coming you might see a copy of what happened in OZ.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 03:05   #5 (permalink)
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Lawsuit is from people that already left CX, I've been told, closing a base won't actually accomplish anything.
Not true, only one left, the other 4 are still with CX.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 05:38   #6 (permalink)
 
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Anybody want to explain in basic terms what the case is about?
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 05:39   #7 (permalink)
 
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 06:22   #8 (permalink)
 
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Probably not hard to figure out.

I'm sure CX did something in the typical half-a##, arrogant fashion they always do things and someone has called them out.

Maybe the hedging team warmed up with "on shoring", or perhaps the EFB program.

Clearly winning.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 07:35   #9 (permalink)
 
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It's about overtime payments in California. Potentially VERY expensive for the company. And as you correctly surmised, it's due to CX's usual half-as*ed approach to planning, rules, laws and regulations. But we are not surprised, because we know we are blessed with the most amazing pool of management talent in the aviation industry. Just ask our fuel hedging partners
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When CX was miffed about the number of ASR-F's being submitted on the PER base, they simply threatened to close the base and, voila, the problem disappeared overnight.
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When CX was miffed about the number of ASR-F's being submitted on the PER base, they simply threatened to close the base and, voila, the problem disappeared overnight.

And what is the only Australian base to have slots opened up in the last decade?
PER of course.
The HKG based pilots couldn't be intimidated into not writing ASR-F's
QED CX style.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 13:14   #12 (permalink)
 
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Wait, so are you saying the company won't threaten to close the HKG base because the macho HKG based pilots refuse to be intimidated?
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 19:05   #13 (permalink)
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The court documents can be found online. It is a possible class action case, if deemed class action and won by the plaintiffs it can easily exceed USD 100 million in backpay, damages and fines.
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... and if that happens, the California bases, and maybe the whole US base, will be shuttered thereafter. Just like that, the US went from the base with the most growth potential to stagnation and perhaps even annihilation.

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Old 11th Aug 2017, 23:00   #15 (permalink)
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I hope it does not come to that. Logic should prevent CX from trying to close the California bases due to the court case, as I am sure there would be a bunch of lawyers volunteering to take that case on contingency.
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Logic has never prevented CX from doing anything, just the opposite really.

There is no legal requirement for them to have or keep a base.
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They very likely will not close the bases during the litigation, but afterwards all bets are off. That could easily be many years from now, during which time US bases will wither on the vine.
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All the more reason to go to Delta, SW, UPS, etc
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 06:39   #19 (permalink)
 
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otherwise, you will be a poor, miserable and bitter pilot in HK on local terms.

Other than your fat housing( I mean mortgage allowance,) you pretty much summed up your own miserable life , winging trainer Traf😜
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I can't help but think that starting up lawsuits on a base can have the side-effect of the company just closing the base, if the deal isn't as good for them as before.

I wonder if the ones starting the lawsuit, discussed this with the USAOA and the potential rammifications for everyone else on the base, should things go sour.
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