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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 19:16   #1 (permalink)
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Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged

Another area of service that our competitors are crushing us with....

British Airways wi-fi in the sky finally takes off | Daily Mail Online
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 19:40   #2 (permalink)
 
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Whilst I agree , do you really want the passengers all around you making phone calls when you are trying to sleep . I think that unless phone calls Skype etc are banned air rage will become commonplace
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Don't worry, with the pax flying on airlines that do have wifi, you will enjoy a few seats to yourself.

Staff travel anyone?? Looks like theres plenty of room.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 01:34   #4 (permalink)
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As far as I am aware CX is still the only foreign airline to have Wifi over China.

Other airlines may have wifi but do not have the right to have it on over China.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 02:07   #5 (permalink)
 
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Of course if phone calls, at 34000ft whilst enjoying a Betsy beer, are annoying then purchase a wifi jammer from Sham Shui Po.
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Pan Am - down the drain.
Eastern Airlines, once the largest airline in the free world - down the drain.
Cathay Pathetic - next.

Face the facts and make plans for your future such that it doesn't include Cathay...
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 17:03   #7 (permalink)
 
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FUB ,

Imagine 5-6 people turn on their wifi jammers at the same time , it messes up the GPS signals and you can all join the cast of "lost "
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Oriental flyer,

Using the same level of understanding think about this. Someone uses the wifi to hack into the planes computers and crashes it. I will take my chances with a wifi jammer.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 19:14   #9 (permalink)
 
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It's not going to happen because the flight computers are not using wifi , however a wifi blocker works by sending out an RF signal that could possibly interfere with the gps signals . It won't affect the flight computers just the LNAV GPS input
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 19:31   #10 (permalink)
 
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Many wifi and cell phone type jammers incorporate GPS jammers as well. These are to disable surreptitiously placed GPS based tracking devices which are often used by law enforcement as well as lawyers trying to catch cheating spouses.

Wifi (2.4G and above) usually operates well above GPS (1.2-1.3G; plus or minus a couple hundred MHz depending on which kind of equipment) and most cell phones, but any transmitter--especially one trying to jam -- and double especially one made in China -- generates all kinds of spurious signals and harmonics. And because it's a kinda pirated type of device to begin with there are not any form of universal frequency specifications or power level standards -- unlike normal cell phones, iPads, laptops, and the like.

Obviously this is illegal and dangerous aboard any aircraft with radio based navigation equipment and other electronics. And the possibility of knocking out onboard GPS (and other stuff) is most definitely there. Anyone trying such a stunt should be thrown in jail just like anyone else intentionally trying to harm an aircraft and its passengers.

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The plane however would not crash, so we would not end up as a new cast of lost.
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 08:58   #12 (permalink)
 
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Imagine 5-6 people turn on their wifi jammers at the same time , it messes up the GPS signals and you can all join the cast of "lost "
Yes everything operates on the same frequency, wifi, GPS, microwaves, tv, radio, radar detectors.

I guess they jam the IRS-IRU as well huh?
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Another area of service that our competitors are crushing us with....

British Airways wi-fi in the sky finally takes off | Daily Mail Online
I wouldn't hold up BA as a shining example of a wi-fi savvy competitor, just yet. When it comes to integrating 'tech' with their aircraft they manage to muck it up. Even land-based tech, like their IT systems, are just apalling.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 22:14   #15 (permalink)
 
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A WiFi jammer would not affect GPS signals. GPS uses a very low power transmission that the receiver picks out of the mess of other RF noise there is floating around. A WiFi jammer would need to transmit on GPS frequencies in order to affect it, filling the air with other radiation would be irrelevant to GPS.. It would cost more to install the additional antennas so I doubt the cheap Chinese WiFi jammers would do this.
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The Way Forward

Bet my last dollar that some 9th floor "manager" with a real nice looking spreadsheet that conformed to Boardroom cost cutting targets is responsible for this.. Saved a whole bunch of bucks - at what cost ?? They're now "PAYING" to fix all this.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/0...pacific-image/
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Old 19th May 2017, 21:15   #17 (permalink)
 
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So Qatar can turn this product away but CX cannot. I'm fairly certain this says something about CX relative to its competitors, and it isn't good. When will CX learn that it is better to do things right the first time, even if it costs a bit more time and money? We are now, no thanks to the fuel hedges, in such bad financial shape that the airline cannot afford expensive do-overs and further brand damage. If the airline continues to be run with a myopic focus on costs only, then CX will become the next airline industry fatality.
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Old 20th May 2017, 00:13   #18 (permalink)
 
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For those that think John Walton, the gentleman who wrote the blog in Flex88's post, has exaggerated the shoddiness of the seats, perhaps those of you who get the chance to look at the cabin in the A50 should do so.
I have only recently looked in the A50 cabin, and even though I only had chance to look at the business seats, either I was on exactly the same aircraft as Mr Walton flew on, or sadly, the problem is more widespread.

To view poorly fitting trim, mismatched joins, flaking laminate, badly fitted material, was very disappointing, and the list went on. How these seats were accepted for use is beyond me, and with minimal use already, looking as bad as they do, I doubt they will last well.

And these seats are what we are doing to try and retain/attract premium passengers?
If this is the level of management oversight and decision making that we now have, then our beloved airline may indeed be doomed.
It's not a 30% management clearout that's needed. It's more like a fresh set of eyes with a sound business mind, a blank sheet of paper and a new approach.
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Richard Anderson for CEO!
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Old 20th May 2017, 00:33   #20 (permalink)
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Gordon Bethune is available.... (of course, it would take him six months to get over the shock at what a complete mess this airlines operations are like).
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