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However it is the exact same job a United or American Airlines a 737 pilot does. An SO does not EVEN fly, just monitors...no comparison!!
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I have to agree with Luggage on most of this. CX is a toxic Petri dish when it comes to flying skills. This rears its ugly head time and again when we are asked to fly a visual approach with nothing more than a PAPI, or God forbid, the CRI VOR 13L without full RNP AR automation.
Face it colleagues, CX pilots' hand flying skills suck. Turning off the flight directors and A/T only happens above 1000' once every blue moon. I personally try to do it more often, but it usually gets the PM very nervous even after having briefed it and I hardly ever see that from others.
The 3:1 rule seems lost on most of our younger pilots. Many have no clue what energy state / altitude they should be at for given distances. They're just relying on the VNAV path. Did they ever learn it, or have they just forgotten or become too task saturated for it?
Luggage is right. We aren't very good, and certainly not proportional to the egos we read on here. Most of us could use some "regional" time to sharpen up, and especially our lesser experienced colleagues who never flew it in the first place.
Face it colleagues, CX pilots' hand flying skills suck. Turning off the flight directors and A/T only happens above 1000' once every blue moon. I personally try to do it more often, but it usually gets the PM very nervous even after having briefed it and I hardly ever see that from others.
The 3:1 rule seems lost on most of our younger pilots. Many have no clue what energy state / altitude they should be at for given distances. They're just relying on the VNAV path. Did they ever learn it, or have they just forgotten or become too task saturated for it?
Luggage is right. We aren't very good, and certainly not proportional to the egos we read on here. Most of us could use some "regional" time to sharpen up, and especially our lesser experienced colleagues who never flew it in the first place.
Im sure there are many skilled 'Heavy' pilot on big birds but their are ton who think they are skilled and certainly dont do the hand flying that an RJ pilot does or have the ability of an RJ pilot.
As for the new generation of MPL/777 pilots with VNAV and autoland...god help us all.
So good to hear your appreciation for good old fashioned stick and rudder, visual approaches etc.
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The only way into a US major is thru a regional airline (some military get direct entry) otherwise you will not get in.
The regionals fly the routes thru a contract with the US majors, however SCOPE only allows up to a certain size aircraft/number of seats at the regional and do you want to know why?...
It is to prevent cheap labour you numbskull!! It stops the regional buyiing A320/757 and flying those routes for those aircraft while undercutting pilot salaries at the majors...hence protection from cheap labour whilst still getting the regional airports serviced and pilots getting good experience on jets.
Even though I had A320 experience I had to join a regional when I got here as thats the way it is and I am grateful for the opportunity and flying I have done.
As for your SO flying many years later you want to know why I have a problem with it...err they dont fly!!! 4 years later an RJ FO has built up 3000 plus hours of actuall jet flying and you think an SO is the same thing, are you demented!!
Cant wait to put my family on a plane with an SO taking over due to pilot incapacitation with his 5 years of monitoring...wow we should all be so lucky!!
Sure his flying skills will be top notch. That 35 - 40 knot cross wind landing will be a breeze for him to handle, you know the type us RJ pukes deal with in Chicago (windy city) on a regular basis but hey, what do I know. Im not an experienced CX Pilot Sky god!!
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This originally started about SO (So called pilots) whom I think are nothing more than cheap labour with good monitoring skills because they sure as hell dont fly.
Either way, CX made their bed and must lie in it, not my problem.
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[QUOTE=ADFUS;9740320]Err what were you mad lads getting paid a few years ago? 19K per annum?
RJ guys may have been getting 19k a few years ago but you are missing one very big point.
They were NOT UNDERCUTTING pilots salaries at the majors due to SCOPE which I have just explained!!
Yet did an honest days work in an RJ getting fantastic hands on twin jet experience whilst doing the EXACT same job as a United 737 pilot.
Nothing wrong with that in my book...seems to be a sore point for you though and the holy SO's.
RJ guys may have been getting 19k a few years ago but you are missing one very big point.
They were NOT UNDERCUTTING pilots salaries at the majors due to SCOPE which I have just explained!!
Yet did an honest days work in an RJ getting fantastic hands on twin jet experience whilst doing the EXACT same job as a United 737 pilot.
Nothing wrong with that in my book...seems to be a sore point for you though and the holy SO's.
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Luggage you will never ever make it to captain at Cx or any other major airline . You clearly live in a bubble and don't have a clue how things work.
I truly feel sorry for the SOs that you are going to be flying with. I'd rather trust them in the jump seat than have you up front any day of the week.
FYI it's not always 3:1 , the children of the magenta line can multiply too..
I truly feel sorry for the SOs that you are going to be flying with. I'd rather trust them in the jump seat than have you up front any day of the week.
FYI it's not always 3:1 , the children of the magenta line can multiply too..
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So let me guess this straight.
You are on a work visa in the US (2 years was it?) with absolutely NO CHANCE of progressing into a mainline carrier. You have been bouncing around the world looking for a job (Cebu, Macau, DHL, AJX, KA, CX) after you paid for an a320 type rating and got some hours in it (why only a few hundred?).
Now after finding out that in CX you will be behind a couple of hundred SOs for command you got your panties in a twist and started spewing insults on the forum.
With an attitude like that how will you ever survive as an SO in QANTAS? How's the application going so far?
Edit: Wishing you all the best for the 2018 Diversity Visa lottery.
You are on a work visa in the US (2 years was it?) with absolutely NO CHANCE of progressing into a mainline carrier. You have been bouncing around the world looking for a job (Cebu, Macau, DHL, AJX, KA, CX) after you paid for an a320 type rating and got some hours in it (why only a few hundred?).
Now after finding out that in CX you will be behind a couple of hundred SOs for command you got your panties in a twist and started spewing insults on the forum.
With an attitude like that how will you ever survive as an SO in QANTAS? How's the application going so far?
Edit: Wishing you all the best for the 2018 Diversity Visa lottery.
Err..I have a green card, secondly never paid for a rating in my life as I stated in an earlier post (dont abide by p2f and screwing my fellow pilots over).
Thirdly have many options and interviews lined up in the US with very good TA rates unlike you on you CX/KA salary in a place thats as expensive as NY.
Would never ever join QF as an SO even though I respect the airline. SO is just a complete and utterwaste of time. Why would I do that with 1000's of jet hours....wake up man.
I would gladly work for QF but equally happy at Hawaiian airlines, Delta, Fedex, UPS, JetBlue, Virgin America, Alaska, Southwest...all good airlines.
Already have an interiew with a US major so CX, DHL, Cebu...not very high on my list.
Unlike you, I have options..
Hows life in that polluted dump you now call home..hahahahahha!!
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Luggage you will never ever make it to captain at Cx or any other major airline . You clearly live in a bubble and don't have a clue how things work.
I truly feel sorry for the SOs that you are going to be flying with. I'd rather trust them in the jump seat than have you up front any day of the week.
FYI it's not always 3:1 , the children of the magenta line can multiply too..
I truly feel sorry for the SOs that you are going to be flying with. I'd rather trust them in the jump seat than have you up front any day of the week.
FYI it's not always 3:1 , the children of the magenta line can multiply too..
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[QUOTE=ADFUS;9740345]So let me guess this straight.
You are on a work visa in the US (2 years was it?) with absolutely NO CHANCE of progressing into a mainline carrier. You have been bouncing around the world looking for a job (Cebu, Macau, DHL, AJX, KA, CX) after you paid for an a320 type rating and got some hours in it (why only a few hundred?).
It's called resigning from your job and emigrating to a different country for my familys future but dont let that get in the way of you knowing more about me and my career than I do..
You are on a work visa in the US (2 years was it?) with absolutely NO CHANCE of progressing into a mainline carrier. You have been bouncing around the world looking for a job (Cebu, Macau, DHL, AJX, KA, CX) after you paid for an a320 type rating and got some hours in it (why only a few hundred?).
It's called resigning from your job and emigrating to a different country for my familys future but dont let that get in the way of you knowing more about me and my career than I do..
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FYI it's not always 3:1 , the children of the magenta line can multiply too..[/QUOTE]
Pity they cant fly but Im so glad they can use vnav and disconnect at 800 feet for a straight in approach on a calm sunny day...heavy workload after 6 hours in the bunk, as for that SO watching the landing...what knowledge gained verses say actually hand flying it yourself.
Pity they cant fly but Im so glad they can use vnav and disconnect at 800 feet for a straight in approach on a calm sunny day...heavy workload after 6 hours in the bunk, as for that SO watching the landing...what knowledge gained verses say actually hand flying it yourself.
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....and now Im on a green card, whats so hard to understand. I applied and got one...
As for the majors interview...whatever floats your boat man.
Life is peachy, hows life for you in HK, still bitter and twisted are we...hahahahaha.
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Not to worry though Magenta, you just keep following that Chinese glideslope. It's never led anyone astray.
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Would be a shame to seea terrific brand go down the tubes...I mean that!!
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Luggage it's funny how it's the people like you who claim to have all the options for jobs are here asking for career advice and then berating others
Your 200 hours on the a320 really does sound strange , you either paid to fly or was given the sack quite early
You will be easily identifiable where ever you end up
Your 200 hours on the a320 really does sound strange , you either paid to fly or was given the sack quite early
You will be easily identifiable where ever you end up
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Luggage it's funny how it's the people like you who claim to have all the options for jobs are here asking for career advice and then berating others
Your 200 hours on the a320 really does sound strange , you either paid to fly or was given the sack quite early
You will be easily identifiable where ever you end up
Your 200 hours on the a320 really does sound strange , you either paid to fly or was given the sack quite early
You will be easily identifiable where ever you end up
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Luggage it's funny how it's the people like you who claim to have all the options for jobs are here asking for career advice and then berating others
Your 200 hours on the a320 really does sound strange , you either paid to fly or was given the sack quite early
You will be easily identifiable where ever you end up
Your 200 hours on the a320 really does sound strange , you either paid to fly or was given the sack quite early
You will be easily identifiable where ever you end up
Hahahahahahahahahhaha...you clown!!
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People like you really are imbeciles..I guess you know my work history better thn me. I must have been sacked everywhere I worked, paid to fly and am desperate for a job...Im probably not even flying a jet now....hell am I even a pilot?
Hahahahahahahahahhaha...you clown!!
Hahahahahahahahahhaha...you clown!!