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Old 20th Mar 2017, 22:11   #21 (permalink)
 
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SO -> JFO 3-4 years

SO/DEFO -> Captain 11-13 years
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 23:16   #22 (permalink)
 
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11 years to command is now. That will slow (is already?) once our ex-A and early "super" B scalers are retired. The unknown variables are airline growth (or contraction) and attrition of those leaving for greener pastures. Hard to predict those.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 23:48   #23 (permalink)
 
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Also factor the airport's and airspace's capacity at Hong Kong. The Chinese have not changed the airspace for decades and with competition from the growing Hainan Group airlines for slots, my bet is that in a few years expansion will stop. CX will be going nowhere.

In that case, it will be dead men's shoes for commands.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 02:50   #24 (permalink)
 
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CX will reap what it sows.

On all fleets the CN upgrades are predominately experienced FOs who joined circa 2006-2008 (commands pending). The success rate is and will continue to be high for the next 18mth+. However, many of the JFO upgrades are at present from ex cadets with little or no experience prior to CX, many are struggling. (babysitting the AP anyone?). With training resources dwindling by the month management continue to squander resources, the 150 sector upgrade is on the cards.

Whilst every new joiner doesn't have to be ex Thunderbirds pilots, they should know the basics of stick and rudder, sadly this now seems to be missing.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 14:41   #25 (permalink)
 
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Yet, like those before you, you will just watch and suck it up!
QUOTE=Natca;9712702]Yes there is resentment, hate, and anger from SO's. You will go to the bottom of the seniority list and keep getting bypasses for rosters, vacation, etc etc. You are stealing our jobs and letting the company get away with cheap labor. DEFOs are part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:07   #26 (permalink)
 
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Anyone who read their contract before signing it won't have a problem with you joining as a DEFO.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:24   #27 (permalink)
 
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I find it slightly ironic that an SO can be accusing someone of cheap labor in the first place.

The only reason SO's exist anywhere is for cost reduction???
Exactly!!

I suggest all SO shut their gobs. You are nothing more than a wannabe while the rest of uspaid our duesin turbo props, regional jets etc actually doin real flying into busy international airports.

You dont deserve to upgrade over a DEFO with real flight time and experiece. You are the epitome of cheap labour!!
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 16:38   #28 (permalink)
 
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Half the SOs who've joined in past 3-4yrs have an ATPL, years in GA, turbo prop time, regional time, jet time etc and have paid their "dues".

You paint all SOs with the same brush but forget at some point in your career you too were at the bottom.


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Exactly!!

I suggest all SO shut their gobs. You are nothing more than a wannabe while the rest of uspaid our duesin turbo props, regional jets etc actually doin real flying into busy international airports.

You dont deserve to upgrade over a DEFO with real flight time and experiece. You are the epitome of cheap labour!!
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 17:41   #29 (permalink)
 
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Well at the end of the day (career), that SO with zero experience will have a much greater return on their investment that those of us who slugged it out making crap wages and risking our lives to land that shiny jet job.

I would suggest those with the experience that allows you to bag on those without, use that flight time to get the hell out of this toxic place.

The way I see it, those SOs are far smarter than any of those who've "paid their dues"

Pointing the finger at them as cheap labor? Who allowed that to happen in the first place?

The stupidity and selfishness of this pilot group amazes me.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 09:48   #30 (permalink)
 
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Well at the end of the day (career), that SO with zero experience will have a much greater return on their investment that those of us who slugged it out making crap wages and risking our lives to land that shiny jet job.

I would suggest those with the experience that allows you to bag on those without, use that flight time to get the hell out of this toxic place.

The way I see it, those SOs are far smarter than any of those who've "paid their dues"

Pointing the finger at them as cheap labor? Who allowed that to happen in the first place?

The stupidity and selfishness of this pilot group amazes me.
Well the trainers I guess?
They are training them aren't they ?
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