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Old 17th Feb 2017, 15:44   #1 (permalink)
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Union Membership

Should the Union accept a member who applies after they have gotten into trouble with the Company?
Years and years to apply, and only now proceeding with application to join.

Flood insurance after the storm?

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 15:56   #2 (permalink)
 
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I saw that one too, damn cheek! Any union assistance should only be given for events that occurred after joining.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 21:57   #3 (permalink)
 
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He could likely be the sort to subsequently jack in the membership quick smart if the souvlaki ever hits the fan and he's asked to up his contribution levels to help out association coffers for whatever reason.
What were the circumstances of the div?
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 22:35   #4 (permalink)
 
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Well for new joiner SOs who join prior to the end of their 12 month probationary period there isn't a whole lot of help the union can provide for career ending events such as training etc. Could a same 12 month policy apply here
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 22:46   #5 (permalink)
 
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Could a same 12 month policy apply here
Great idea, except they've already rushed to his aid....
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 02:16   #6 (permalink)
 
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If that is true, that's a great way to save money, only pay after you need the AOA.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 02:51   #7 (permalink)
 
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Saw the bloke in question on HKAOA membership application.
What's the story/ misdemeanour?
He would have close to twenty years in the company and is looking for membership now?
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 04:07   #8 (permalink)
 
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Question: Does the HKAOA have to accept every application? Surely there is a case to be made that certain individuals are not welcome. Just asking.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 05:06   #9 (permalink)
 
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He has applied to the Union, you can still lodge an objection within a certain period if I remember the rules correctly. What did he do that required Union help?
Poor form if he only joined after the event.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 12:29   #10 (permalink)
 
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Always been very very special this individual, I heard he loves to film his T/O's and LDG's
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 18:48   #11 (permalink)


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What. ? Cap'n America. ? Surely he's infallible ?
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 04:31   #12 (permalink)
 
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I think you all need to wind it down a little, this person is a nice bloke and deserves a fair shake.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 04:58   #13 (permalink)
 
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One of the nicest captains I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. Not sure what has happened, but he is tops in my book.

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Old 19th Feb 2017, 04:59   #14 (permalink)


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Well that is a subjective opinion; and the whole point is whether he should be allowed to join the union now in his moment of need, when, for the past 20 years or so he hasn't deigned to do so.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 05:29   #15 (permalink)
 
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I would recommend giving new hires a period of time to settle in, join the dots etc prior to joining a branch of the AOA. Beyond 1-2 years applications for membership should be welcomed but with some sort of penalty rate related to number of years not a member of a union. There may be the odd few people out there that are members of other unions outside HK (because they are based) so they should be welcomed without penalty, i.e. they have been paying for representation somewhere.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 14:34   #16 (permalink)
 
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Thats bullsh* - each union member should and is able to join at anytime and shall recieve the support of the union esp as a new hire. Join from day one no question... now as far as this particular case he bring him on, show our good will to help. Dont drink the cx coolaide and limit membership.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 17:54   #17 (permalink)
 
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The chap in question is a colleague and fellow professional. He may feel that he needs help from the AOA. Please try and not act like the low quality human beings that some of you are. Let him join and then give him any assistance he needs.
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 18:09   #18 (permalink)
 
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So its ok to piggy back for free for all those years and then when finds himself in need of help goes cap in hand to the union? The years of fees he has saved will easily cover a private lawyer. Its got nothing to do with him being a nice guy its about principles.

I didn't enter the Lotto this weekend but now I know the numbers I suppose I can just put them down and claim the prize?
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Old 19th Feb 2017, 23:41   #19 (permalink)
 
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Sounds to me like someone has been able to have their cake and eat it too. Good for him, its pretty hard to get this sort of a deal these days.


I think we are all jealous we have been paying bucks for an under performing union with a side serve of an insurance policy in case we get on the wrong side of the company.


He played a smart hand and got lucky. I just hope what ever it is he comes out fine.


I would rather the union fight for something or someone, because at the moment we are pretty much floating on a rudderless raft.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 00:24   #20 (permalink)
 
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With the AoAs track record on just about everything I would be off to find the nearest high priced lawyer rather than consulting the Perpetual holders of the Amateur Hour trophy.
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