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Requesting AOA membership 5 mins before your imminent interview or D&G is comparable with going into training at 54 1/2 to get an extension.
People like these have no real interest rather than self preservation (such as work beyond 55 back in 2007/8 or to "survive a meeting" with the CP).
I can't believe some of our colleagues interpret this as a win since we gained another member.
People like these have no real interest rather than self preservation (such as work beyond 55 back in 2007/8 or to "survive a meeting" with the CP).
I can't believe some of our colleagues interpret this as a win since we gained another member.
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The hostility shown by some of our regular hardened keyboard warriors toward one individual amazes me. But since these same Haka dancers have already denounced any form of elevated industrial action that threaten their precious employment, we unfortunately are stuck with CC.
CC is more effective with each new member, since that's one less member that could potentially become a trainer or G day worker. So you would think that these so called union minded warriors would overlook their petty jealousy and welcome another member for the greater good of the pilot body. But no, it's far better to alienate the individual so you can feel good about yourself that your dues all these years has given you an exclusive privilege as you privately perform the Haka dance in front of your bedroom mirror.
CC is more effective with each new member, since that's one less member that could potentially become a trainer or G day worker. So you would think that these so called union minded warriors would overlook their petty jealousy and welcome another member for the greater good of the pilot body. But no, it's far better to alienate the individual so you can feel good about yourself that your dues all these years has given you an exclusive privilege as you privately perform the Haka dance in front of your bedroom mirror.
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I simply do not understand the reason for the hostility, plain and straightforward.
If the said individual had a history of violations/issues against either his fellow colleagues or work, then I would agree with some of the sentiments shared among the hardcore.
I don't know the full circumstances, so I can't comment; what is evident, though, is the amount of hypocrisy exhibited by some here.
If the said individual had a history of violations/issues against either his fellow colleagues or work, then I would agree with some of the sentiments shared among the hardcore.
I don't know the full circumstances, so I can't comment; what is evident, though, is the amount of hypocrisy exhibited by some here.
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Haha. You jest. How many G Days has this clown worked in the last 20 years?
You can't even call this guy a prodigal son coming back to the fold after seeing the errors of his ways. He wasn't one of us to start with!
You can't even call this guy a prodigal son coming back to the fold after seeing the errors of his ways. He wasn't one of us to start with!
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He is like the guy who doesn't stand his round in the pub, you don't really want him in your circle. Same thing; this guy is happy to stand supported by others' contributions .
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The fact that he basically lied about being a member is the icing on the cake. It was written on the forum, what about the guys who were fee paying members for many years who were asked to leave because they joined training, worked a G, etc...? Those guys get the boot but a guy who free loaded for nearly 20 years(!!!!!) then lied about being a member because he suddenly needed help is welcomed with open arms?
This union is seriously f***ked up if he's allowed to join.
This union is seriously f***ked up if he's allowed to join.
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I don't know betpump5 how many G days he has worked, but you seem to know the facts so go on and enlighten us. Better still, provide the proof (cut and paste) in the AOA forum as supporting evidence to your claim.
Xwindldg, you may want to re-read the Chairman's promulgation. He never mentioned anything about claiming to be a member......but why let a rumour ruin a good story.
Paying members have not been asked to leave for working 'a' G day. They've worked multiple on a regular basis and have blatantly disregarded CC.
With attitudes like this, who wins? The pilot group or management?
Xwindldg, you may want to re-read the Chairman's promulgation. He never mentioned anything about claiming to be a member......but why let a rumour ruin a good story.
Paying members have not been asked to leave for working 'a' G day. They've worked multiple on a regular basis and have blatantly disregarded CC.
With attitudes like this, who wins? The pilot group or management?
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Corrigin,
They were paying the AOA their hard earned money, while this guy didn't pay $1 for almost 20 YEARS! Huge slap in the face for the fee paying members. He benefitted from every negotiated payrise and from anytime the members stuck their necks out with industrial action for almost 20 years. Like someone said earlier, he should be put up for the AOA presidency if he's allowed in, he's absolutely brilliant to be able to get this deal.
They were paying the AOA their hard earned money, while this guy didn't pay $1 for almost 20 YEARS! Huge slap in the face for the fee paying members. He benefitted from every negotiated payrise and from anytime the members stuck their necks out with industrial action for almost 20 years. Like someone said earlier, he should be put up for the AOA presidency if he's allowed in, he's absolutely brilliant to be able to get this deal.
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"does sitting on the sidelines bludging off your colleagues for almost 20 years compare to that?"
No Xwingldg, there's no comparison between the two; just as there isn't in accepting scabs from previous airlines or new hires that took positions during the AOA's hiring ban promulgation.
My point is that unless you know what the full circumstances are with this individual (I certainly do not), we should refrain from making such a confident decision.
Alternatively, then let's start cleaning the membership by also removing those members who are scabs or undertook positions as I previously mentioned. Then it's a level field. Then it's fair.
No Xwingldg, there's no comparison between the two; just as there isn't in accepting scabs from previous airlines or new hires that took positions during the AOA's hiring ban promulgation.
My point is that unless you know what the full circumstances are with this individual (I certainly do not), we should refrain from making such a confident decision.
Alternatively, then let's start cleaning the membership by also removing those members who are scabs or undertook positions as I previously mentioned. Then it's a level field. Then it's fair.
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So it looks like the member in question has been admitted after a very close vote in the GC 53/47.. Decided by only 1 vote if my math is correct.
Sunny Side Club is benefitting from the result. I would conclude that our membership has been significantly diluted. 1 years payment to Sunny Side for 1/16 (yrs in CX) the value of membership. What a great deal.
Sunny Side Club is benefitting from the result. I would conclude that our membership has been significantly diluted. 1 years payment to Sunny Side for 1/16 (yrs in CX) the value of membership. What a great deal.
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The farce that is the HKAOA continues to deliver like the mailman.
This is like the three stooges but there is 12 of them.
If this is the same rationale that we use when negotiating with CX no wonder we have been getting rolled for thirty years.
This is like the three stooges but there is 12 of them.
If this is the same rationale that we use when negotiating with CX no wonder we have been getting rolled for thirty years.
No point guessing. The head of the HKAOA is a trainer, happily training his cheap replacements and diluting his own contract.
And he is literally wearing his CX hat in his thumbnail portrait attached to Association updates! Hmmmm.
And he is literally wearing his CX hat in his thumbnail portrait attached to Association updates! Hmmmm.
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Fake News Alert.
I know this is rumour network, but Anotherday is spouting mis-information about the NZ Age Discrimination case that is potentially damaging to the HKAOA.
1. The litigants in the NZ case have not taken Perth bases. Even if they did;
a. Under their COS it can be argued they are entitled to do so. They are exercising the same rights as all of us.
b. They are only able to bid for the Perth base because the HKAOA's actions delayed their forced retirements. Would that not be a success for the HKAOA?
2. The case has yet to be decided. It is going to final appeal. Whilst the case proceeds the two litigants remain employed. Are the HKAOA's objectives not being achieved?
3. The costs outlined by Anotherday are grossly over-inflated. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, but to say the costs are 10 times over-stated would not be far from the truth. That said, no matter what the cost, the HKAOA will take all measures to defend its Members, particularly when some form of discrimination is involved. As a modern-thinking, progressive organization, the HKAOA will use all means at its disposable to oppose discrimination - all Members should be proud of that fact.
I have come on this forum because it is important that non-members and the Company understand the HKAOA's position and mischievous misinformation should not be allowed to pervert debate.
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I know this is rumour network, but Anotherday is spouting mis-information about the NZ Age Discrimination case that is potentially damaging to the HKAOA.
1. The litigants in the NZ case have not taken Perth bases. Even if they did;
a. Under their COS it can be argued they are entitled to do so. They are exercising the same rights as all of us.
b. They are only able to bid for the Perth base because the HKAOA's actions delayed their forced retirements. Would that not be a success for the HKAOA?
2. The case has yet to be decided. It is going to final appeal. Whilst the case proceeds the two litigants remain employed. Are the HKAOA's objectives not being achieved?
3. The costs outlined by Anotherday are grossly over-inflated. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, but to say the costs are 10 times over-stated would not be far from the truth. That said, no matter what the cost, the HKAOA will take all measures to defend its Members, particularly when some form of discrimination is involved. As a modern-thinking, progressive organization, the HKAOA will use all means at its disposable to oppose discrimination - all Members should be proud of that fact.
I have come on this forum because it is important that non-members and the Company understand the HKAOA's position and mischievous misinformation should not be allowed to pervert debate.
Rod F
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Just so as we can all be completely clear what appears to have gone down here chaps -
I have looked back at a snapshot on membership status taken at the end of the 49er financial support period. The Unions newest member was listed as " EX ".
What this means is that the individual had resigned from the Union prior to the end of this dark and difficult period in our unions history. He'd cut and run. Decided he didn't want to stick his neck out, didn't want to contribute to assist his brothers who had been sacked, didn't want to stand by the rest of you that had the fortitude to do what you knew was right. Since that time he has benefited in many ways from that decision, taken advantage of his position as a non-member whilst continuing to benefit from the hard work the union has undertaken defending our contract.
I recall in the wash up after the deal that was reached on the 49ers, discussing with a GC member the implications of allowing quitters back into our Union. I told him the only thing that would make me think twice about staying was allowing quitters back in .... we were better off without them - far better a smaller membership made up of people you could trust and depend on, then one diluted by the selfish and spineless. The GC member told me that they were aware that guys like me might leave as a result of a decision to " broaden the membership " , but that the number of members leaving would be far less than those that would rejoin - this was therefore deemed an acceptable trade off, pragmatic I expect. Risk losing members that stayed the course throughout the most difficult period in our unions history, in the belief we would be better off by taking in anyone at all.
It seems this mindset is at work once again, are we really prepared to overlook the character of applicants in the hope that it won't matter ?
I can tell you it does matter, that the individual concerned should be ashamed, and that the GC should take pause to reflect on just what they have done.
I have looked back at a snapshot on membership status taken at the end of the 49er financial support period. The Unions newest member was listed as " EX ".
What this means is that the individual had resigned from the Union prior to the end of this dark and difficult period in our unions history. He'd cut and run. Decided he didn't want to stick his neck out, didn't want to contribute to assist his brothers who had been sacked, didn't want to stand by the rest of you that had the fortitude to do what you knew was right. Since that time he has benefited in many ways from that decision, taken advantage of his position as a non-member whilst continuing to benefit from the hard work the union has undertaken defending our contract.
I recall in the wash up after the deal that was reached on the 49ers, discussing with a GC member the implications of allowing quitters back into our Union. I told him the only thing that would make me think twice about staying was allowing quitters back in .... we were better off without them - far better a smaller membership made up of people you could trust and depend on, then one diluted by the selfish and spineless. The GC member told me that they were aware that guys like me might leave as a result of a decision to " broaden the membership " , but that the number of members leaving would be far less than those that would rejoin - this was therefore deemed an acceptable trade off, pragmatic I expect. Risk losing members that stayed the course throughout the most difficult period in our unions history, in the belief we would be better off by taking in anyone at all.
It seems this mindset is at work once again, are we really prepared to overlook the character of applicants in the hope that it won't matter ?
I can tell you it does matter, that the individual concerned should be ashamed, and that the GC should take pause to reflect on just what they have done.
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WTF...?? Excuse me: are you saying that he was a member at one time? And that he cut and run because of the increased cost of membership post 49er situation? If that is the case, he needs to be immediately expelled. I am in a state of disbelief on this. It was bad enough when I believed he decided to join because he had got in trouble and then fooled our GC member into believing he was a member, and received help. Now, it appears that not only was he once a member, but he resigned when the 'going got tough'. Well, I expect a clear answer to this from the GC. If this is the case, and he is not expelled, I am resigning. This AOA is not fit for purpose if that is how business is done. Clarity, NOW. 