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Old 5th Jan 2017, 12:25   #1 (permalink)
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Cathay DE FO??

Has anyone recently applied for the DE FO position in the last 4 weeks and received any feedback or progression at all?

I am wondering if they are actively recruiting now or getting a stockpile of potentials to sort through?

Many thanks in advance...
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Old 5th Jan 2017, 14:20   #2 (permalink)
 
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Tee hee. Standby; fire in the hole.
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They have a couple of thousand suitable applicants already so dont hold your breath
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They have a couple of thousand suitable applicants already so dont hold your breath
No, they don't.

The "quality" of the applicants is appalling. Much like ASL, they have managed to shake thousands of miscreants out of the woodwork where they've been lurking, waiting for a naive employer to legitimize their dodgy "experience".

And along comes CX....
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Much like ASL, they have managed to shake thousands of miscreants out of the woodwork
No doubt that some of the ASL hopefuls had no chance of making it but some very experienced and capable pilots were binned.
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I'd agree. However the number retained vs the ones brought to HKG (suitable for employment) was 1 in 10 or thereabouts.
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Agreed. I believe there were some unrealistic candidates brought forward.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 23:42   #8 (permalink)
 
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What would the ideal candidate have?

1000 jet hours ? 3000? 7000 hours ?

Wide bodied experience ?
Training background ?
PIC time ?

Not quite sure what an unrealistic applicant is
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He or she should have a willingness to join at the bottom of a seniority list of over 3,200 pilots, including Second Officers. Command upgrades per year are around the mid-double digits (do the math).

The candidate would show willingness to live in the most expensive city on the planet, working for an airline that suffers a management in crisis, ever-increasing airspace congestion, and ferocious competition from a cashed-up mainland airline in its only hub. The candidate should also know that industrial relations are dreadful, and as I type the horizon is obscured by a thick brown haze of pollution. Also, the airline is in a cost-cutting/service spiral and due to a management gamble, fuel hedging losses are equivalent to three B 777 hulls annually for the next couple of years.

'Please be guided accordingly.'

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The ideal candidate will have low self esteem. He will enjoy having pasty egocentric Aussies (gods gift to aviation, just ask them) berate them over non concequential issues. Such as compass lag or proper leaning technique of a piston single being operated near Ayers Rock( cause that shit is real). I would go on but it's too easy.
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It's all as your man Dart says; every last, painful sad word of it. With the added advantage that you'll be about as welcome as a pork sword at a Jewish wedding with all the s/o's you get to fly with.
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They have a couple of thousand suitable applicants already so dont hold your breath
No, they don't.

The "quality" of the applicants is appalling. Much like ASL, they have managed to shake thousands of miscreants out of the woodwork where they've been lurking, waiting for a naive employer to legitimize their dodgy "experience".

And along comes CX....
Not what I heard.
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Old 8th Jan 2017, 05:57   #13 (permalink)
 
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Well, I guess that depends on who you hear it from.

Do you think, for a minute, that any one of the 3/F (mis)managers would admit failed policies, procedures and fixes? Why do you think they're trying DEFO again?

They're in job preservation mode, afraid of the messenger being shot.
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They have a couple of thousand suitable applicants already so dont hold your breath
Thanks for the support and optimism!
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They have a couple of thousand suitable applicants already so dont hold your breath
Thanks for the support and optimism!
Realism .
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You don't want to come here. Wanting to join this circus is the first indication to your fellow pilots that you are a idiot. Wise up and look around.

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Captain Underpants,


You talk about us like we create smoking holes every time we go flying. You must be forgetting your own unremarkable history at CX. You do realize it's widely known who you are and I for one would not be spouting off and disparaging other people's abilities. Glad you're gone now and we don't need to suffer your presence any more.
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Wanting to join this circus is the first indication to your fellow pilots that your a idiot.
*You're

Wise up and look around, indeed.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 05:07   #19 (permalink)
 
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And whom too! Anyway, spelling Nazis aside, the poor SOs are getting a real hose job in this. Two extra years in the back seat watching, off the street hires, even junior SOs, get promoted. This means higher pay, housing, whats left of it etc... This is what should send a message to anyone that wants to work and live in one of the noisiest and polluted cities in the world AND be treated like an idiot. Wait till all the DEFOs get their heads around our check and training departments, the fleet offices and that ugly dirigible, AT, our special DFO.
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Oh and the command failure rate is around 75% now. Lots of it on the GL fleet.

A deputy C.P. is leaving the GL fleet. I wonder why? It couldn't be "Timmay" who sits just outside GL and continues to eff up the manuals in a significant way. Does he have a handicap sign on his back when he goes to fly?
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