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Old 11th Jan 2017, 04:18   #21 (permalink)
 
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A good place to build your time for your career airline.

That's about it.

Unless you like to spend the few precious nights of sleep you'll get fretting about what they are going to take next.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 18:33   #22 (permalink)
 
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Wise up and look around, indeed.
Thanks for the correction. Did it ever occur to you that the invisible hand of spell check maybe involved? I would say anyone who joined before 2008 was offerd a very different set of toys when joining.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 00:01   #23 (permalink)


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just had a look on ppjn states starting salary DEFO 841980 HKD$ last updated in 2008 mind you. Anyone got the current starting salary for DEFO? Rgds
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 02:22   #24 (permalink)
 
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It will be a bit less than that and you will be on hkpa. Remind you also will be on c minus scale ie no bonuses or anything else. Please stay away from cx untill this place turns around as you are just helping the race to the bottom. Cx is a place trying to bore the cheapest labor right now, they are willing to hire from any small nook around the globe just to drive down the cost of a pilot.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 15:33   #25 (permalink)
 
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Basic 81.292 HKD
flight pay (84 hrs) 8.129 HKD
HKPA 14.000 HKD
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 16:40   #26 (permalink)
 
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Please stay away from cx untill this place turns around as you are just helping the race to the bottom. Cx is a place trying to bore the cheapest labor right now, they are willing to hire from any small nook around the globe just to drive down the cost of a pilot.
NATCA, that's what we were telling you when you were looking to join 2 years ago!
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 15:03   #27 (permalink)
 
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I am considering applying but would like to know:
1. What are chances for wife to get a job?
My wife has an established career in London, financial sector.

2. How easy are mortgages to get?
We have a property we could sell to release extra equity if needed.

3. School/nannies?
Costs of these? London is astronomical.

Thanks
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 15:32   #28 (permalink)
 
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Seated. Fresh popcorn at hand.
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 15:42   #29 (permalink)
 
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Oh god


- the financial sector in HKG is everything but booming atm
- 15% stamp duty for non-residents plus 40-50% down payment required depending on the price; what sort of property do you think you need?
- nannies are cheap but international schools require the purchase of a debenture which is anywhere from 30000-100000 pounds (yes, per child). School fees are partially covered by CX.

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Old 15th Jan 2017, 23:37   #30 (permalink)
 
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Get the most enjoyable day job you can find and leave the money making up to your wife.

It's not worth it.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 00:21   #31 (permalink)
 
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OMG, coming to HK for CX would be one of the worst decisions of your life, and it may well cost you your marriage. Seriously, pass! Flying WBs is nothing special. The money for NJers is no longer good. You will be chucking gear for Chinese cadet CNs for the better part of two decades. You WILL regret it...
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 00:36   #32 (permalink)
 
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With regards to the pay question. It totally depends on your fleet.

747 - DEFO - First year 95000-96000HKD per month before tax
777 - DEFO - First year 120000-150000HKD per month before tax
A330 - DEFO - 100k per month and you won't have time to spend a dollar cause you'll be working so much.

Good education and medical available for family.

Housing is terribly expensive. Double to Triple what you pay in US/Can or any western place
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 01:14   #33 (permalink)
 
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As others pointed out:

Cathay isn't what it used to be.

However if you can't resist and they offered you a 747 slot after a successful application there is one piece of advice I would offer you:

Don't show up.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 05:25   #34 (permalink)
 
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15% special stamp duty if not a permanent ID holder.
15% buyer's stamp duty unless it's your first property AND you're a permanent ID holder.

=30% stamp duty

Unreasonable to buy any property within your first seven years in HK.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 05:44   #35 (permalink)
 
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Well our reason for wanting to move is because we both love HK. Been there quite a few times and we are fed up of UK.
With the pound now slumping it's just another reason for us.
Buying a place is our biggest issue. Having looked online it doesn't look much more expensive than London. Our 2 bed flat is around 700k mark 60square meters and we are not central. 30% tax is a killer though.
Where would you recommend to work to be based in HK then?
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 05:56   #36 (permalink)
 
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I need more popcorn....
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 06:22   #37 (permalink)
 
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if you love HK...save it for your holidays!! You will think rather differently if you live here...especially with children! Of course if you don't mind sitting with grumpy SOs that sneer at you as soon as look at you..come and enjoy the circus!!
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 07:05   #38 (permalink)
 
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I understand what you are saying but for us our biggest regret was coming back to the UK. That's how much we hate it here. We spent 2 years in various places in Asia. HK and Tokyo were our favourite but Japan is difficult for my wife to get a job.
Plan B is Middle East and keep HK and UK as holidays
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 08:08   #39 (permalink)
 
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If you like HK so much, then yes, CX and KA are prety much the best jobs out there.
I think a corporate jets company offers an even better salary and less work, but I don't know which one.

Just think about the next step though. Kids? Next job eventually? Retirement?

What about Vietnam? Less money but more savings. Bigger house, better lifestyle. But not as modern as HK of course.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 16:31   #40 (permalink)
 
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just curious : how many hours a month do you guys average/mth or how many days off is the norm per mth ?
thx
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