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Old 15th Oct 2016, 12:27
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Hello there, what is PFI?
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Old 15th Oct 2016, 13:58
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PFI stands for "Persistent Fatal Incident"
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 01:08
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Why the supervisor so eger to combine positions???
Plenty of staff so keep them open! They seem not happy unless we are drowning!
Even AT 1 is already close to the limit and we use for nearly 20 years. No allowance for learning new ATMS??!
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 07:05
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Hope that Mumbai experience would not be repeated when Hong Kong starts ATC operation using Raytheon AT3

Raytheon team to fix glitches in ATC software | The Indian Express
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Old 17th Oct 2016, 12:04
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our bosses force us to use the new system
to be fair to our boss, the true story is the boss forces our boss to use the dangerous new system.
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Old 17th Oct 2016, 13:35
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CB, that was a rather old link and I bet you could not produce a recent one. Anyway, Raytheon, within ten years' time, will disappear in major ATM service providers and prevail, at most, in the third world airports.

How much rupees does Autotrac 3 cost?? Raytheon deserves this ending.....well deserve!
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 13:52
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I am not looking forward to see the PFI tomorrow morning, instead the afternoon shift will be very interesting.To make the PFI appearing successful, the morning shift imposes a very harsh flow control that very few planes can come in in the first half of day, the second half of the day which is the afternoon shift will take them all. When is the stop of this PFI?!

No more PFI, we are willing to use the new system. it is a very good system, we love it. very user friendly. want to marry it. kiss it, make loooooe with it.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 09:48
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All, no worry. The new system will put into full operations in mid-November....no matter you like it or not.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 11:14
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Why the supervisor so eger to combine positions???
They have bad heart, they want to see failure in order to proof this to their management an unsuitable system. Don't you see particular supervisors seldom turn aeroplane but just keep talking.......
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 12:44
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What is the minimum Level English Proficiency to be hired by HK ATC ?
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 16:16
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Apparently, it only requires Level One.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 22:17
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Obviously, someone understands what they are talking!
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 13:06
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PFI 'reversion' today proves the AT3 system is not 'ready'.i.e. 'stable'
Whilst 'full' ATC operations were handed over to the new ATC Centre as part of the 'proving of operational readiness', there was a multiple failure of System 1 2, and 3 it was running on the last 'survival' system, namely 'Ultimate Fallback System' = UFS and had to be 'immediately' handed back to the current AT1 system. ATC confidence in the new system is at an all time 'low'. Stress levels of Controllers has peaked to a point where there have been events, occurrences and emotional breakdowns.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 13:32
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It now seems that the old system works better than the new, at least it did not crash. So what would be the point of using the new?
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 14:12
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What is PFI??
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 14:13
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Things will change when we have AT4, AT5,......yes, AT7 like the Note7!!!
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 14:42
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PFI - "Progressive Functional Implementation"
ATC speak for, 'we haven't proven the system' reliably, but we're running out of time and will go 'live' regardless of ATCO under confidence!
There's been at least one other 'reversion', but kept in house.
The pilots, flying public, operational ATCO's deserve better, than an in house denial and suppression of the facts.
An external and independent assessment is required! Urgently!
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 14:55
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There's been at least one other 'reversion', but kept in house.
Was it the one due to a local standby that the team decided not to continue PFI?? Sounds reasonable, this new system cannot handle local standby, aircraft full emergency, ...etc situations. Controller (AT3) can handle traffic after imposing flow control to neighbouring ACC, that's why it is "PERMANENT FLOW-CONTROL IMPLEMENTATION"
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 15:08
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CAD is not gonna dump this **** until several full hull loss in Hong Kong FIR in the next few months.
It won't help unless they dump the DGCA and ADG(AES) and some shoeshiner boys & girls, they are the root of the problem.
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Old 28th Oct 2016, 08:08
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Reading the news today, the project team blame controller entered wrong information to Autotrac 3 that the them machine crashed. WTF
This useless and vulnerable system should go to hell with Raytheon and the project team.
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