CX axing KL; 5 A330s to KA
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Xwind,
Please keep in mind that most CX pilots are NOT in their 20s or living with their parents in the home of their youth. Real adults, real families, real financial pressures = real life. You won't forever be as peppy as you feel when you first join CX. Make sense?
Please keep in mind that most CX pilots are NOT in their 20s or living with their parents in the home of their youth. Real adults, real families, real financial pressures = real life. You won't forever be as peppy as you feel when you first join CX. Make sense?
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Thanks cxorcist, it all makes sense now. I now see that it was simply the folly of youth that made me think this TB was anything other than beneficial to the careers of junior crew.
You say "real adults, real families, real financial pressures=real life". You're spot on, and the pressure is getting ratcheted up for the junior crew because we're intentionally delaying any sort of payrise for ourselves for the possibility of an extra hour or so of sleep in the bunk.
You say "real adults, real families, real financial pressures=real life". You're spot on, and the pressure is getting ratcheted up for the junior crew because we're intentionally delaying any sort of payrise for ourselves for the possibility of an extra hour or so of sleep in the bunk.
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Xwind,
The folly of youth was in reference to you saying three man EU is not "as bad and fatiguing..." Why do you suppose one of the two three-man patterns is about to get the chop then?
The folly of youth was in reference to you saying three man EU is not "as bad and fatiguing..." Why do you suppose one of the two three-man patterns is about to get the chop then?
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xwind,
From your posts you would appear to be in your early 20's. That means you have around 40 years to run at CX. You could take the quick "fix" and upgrade a year earlier only to suffer for the next 39 years or you could suck it up for another year or two and actually live long enough to retire at this place. KA have a better contract than you and I because they stuck to their CC until they got what they wanted. It took considerably longer than 2 years though.
Do you read NTC's? Two crew have passed away well before their time in the last few months. The rosters on the airbus and 744 are simply not sustainable. The company are not giving 5 330's to KA to punish us - they simply cannot crew them even though they have pushed the remaining crew to the absolute max on the fatigue scale.
I can assure you that "things are that bad" on the two other fleets. I lost 8 nights sleep in the first 20 days of a recent roster flying around the region. Compounding the problem is that many of the duties flip flop from early to late and vice versa. I fill out on average 3 ASR-F's a month and monitor my fatigue using an online company that I subscribe to monthly. Most months my credit hours are around 84-90 which may seem paltry the 100 hours 777 crews are doing. You have to bear in mind though that most, if not all, of that flying is 2 crew so it is all sat in the seat as opposed to a bunk. 50% of the flying according to my logbook is also through the night!
We are not fighting over "an extra hour or so sleep," we are fighting for a sustainable career.
From your posts you would appear to be in your early 20's. That means you have around 40 years to run at CX. You could take the quick "fix" and upgrade a year earlier only to suffer for the next 39 years or you could suck it up for another year or two and actually live long enough to retire at this place. KA have a better contract than you and I because they stuck to their CC until they got what they wanted. It took considerably longer than 2 years though.
Do you read NTC's? Two crew have passed away well before their time in the last few months. The rosters on the airbus and 744 are simply not sustainable. The company are not giving 5 330's to KA to punish us - they simply cannot crew them even though they have pushed the remaining crew to the absolute max on the fatigue scale.
I can assure you that "things are that bad" on the two other fleets. I lost 8 nights sleep in the first 20 days of a recent roster flying around the region. Compounding the problem is that many of the duties flip flop from early to late and vice versa. I fill out on average 3 ASR-F's a month and monitor my fatigue using an online company that I subscribe to monthly. Most months my credit hours are around 84-90 which may seem paltry the 100 hours 777 crews are doing. You have to bear in mind though that most, if not all, of that flying is 2 crew so it is all sat in the seat as opposed to a bunk. 50% of the flying according to my logbook is also through the night!
We are not fighting over "an extra hour or so sleep," we are fighting for a sustainable career.
KA have a better contract than you and I because they stuck to their CC until they got what they wanted.
One in ten resigned over six months and when that didn't work another decimation ballot was drawn.
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Xwind,
Have you ever heard of the term - common denominator?
Put simply, that's you. Everyone is disagreeing with you. So perhaps, you should acknowledge The fact that YOU are the one who is wrong.
Have you ever heard of the term - common denominator?
Put simply, that's you. Everyone is disagreeing with you. So perhaps, you should acknowledge The fact that YOU are the one who is wrong.
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Bet,
Ever heard of the term- sheep blindly following?
Thats my problem with the TB campaign, people doing stuff just because everyone else is doing it. All of a sudden every training captain is the biggest a## hole company man for not resigning from training yesterday, just because that's the latest thing that everyone must follow.
You can think for yourself and the right thing isn't necessarily the popular thing.
Ever heard of the term- sheep blindly following?
Thats my problem with the TB campaign, people doing stuff just because everyone else is doing it. All of a sudden every training captain is the biggest a## hole company man for not resigning from training yesterday, just because that's the latest thing that everyone must follow.
You can think for yourself and the right thing isn't necessarily the popular thing.
