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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 16:10
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Well things are hotting up here, latest rumour is the new Wicked Witch of the West cannot live with Chief of the Seattle manufactured fleet. If so, that really is drawing a line in the sand.
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Che?

I would love an English translation on this. Or at least a side serve of context?!
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I take it that you don't do cryptic crosswords in Oz?
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I'm from a different fleet, but I understand that it would be a shame to lose him.


With regards to leadership and initiative amongst our pilot leaders: "Exterminate, exterminate!"
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It's not that surprising look at the remainder of the quality up there now slowly going from bad to worse eventually there will be one 'fleet' office and a real nazi in charge

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I hope that's not true!
He's a top guy, good leader, and as one of only a handful I respect up there.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 22:42
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That's right AT, keep up the good work. A great way to get us onside is to shove the one senior manager that we respect out of the way. That will certainly encourage us to cooperate. Keep reading the Swire playbook. FYI, one day it won't work anymore, and my money is on it being soon.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 04:08
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He's a top guy, good leader, and as one of only a handful I respect up there.
+1

Alas, he is not one of the brainwashed Swire puppet gofer the company wants in these positions in order to micromanage this whole management disaster case study.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 05:04
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Silber, shouldn't that be 'Ivan the Terrible'?
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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

I hope it isn't true that he has been let go.

If it's really the case then I dearly hope there will be a united action to support him.

Keep beating a dog with a stick yet expect it to be loyal, come back to you when you call it and sit when you demand it? Well, this dog BITES, it won't put it's tail between its legs. Just hope it has enough teeth. Or run away.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 08:55
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"United action to support him"!!!!
Just like he has supported you? Stop being so bloody naive. He took the dollars and deserves no loyalty from us. Not one of those self serving cowards have ever simply resigned in protest at the appalling anti - aircrew work ethic in the boardroom. Good riddance to the lot of them. Keep up the CC, they're turning inwards on each other which is exactly what we want.
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The whole operation feels dysfunctional. They've changed the Business Cards to match the new corporate logo; yet the aircraft are still flying around in a paint scheme from circa 1995! There is no brand consistency or attention to detail. That is obviously the least of our concerns but it reflects badly on the company. You get the impression the place is being run into the ground either on purpose or through incompetence.

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Old 4th Jul 2015, 09:26
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I don't see u matching down the street in CX CITY in protest either. He has done a lot of lobbying in support for us and our saftey esp.. in the last few wks. Thus exactly the reason he is in some hot water. I think it appropriate we support him and he continue to support us.

As for the other GM I would agree.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 10:02
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No sympathy. He put his hand up for management shortly after the 'unpleasantness' of the last decade. These people eat their own young.

And he will retire as a very wealthy man.
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Bull****. He is one of us. He has supported us no end.
I propose on the 15th that we all call in sick.
I am f.....g sick of this management riding rough shod over us.
Call their bluff and all go "unfit."
Stop the flights and lets see.
Dart have you got the balls?
I do.

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He is a wolf in sheep`s clothing. Think back to Mariners Club AOA meeting 1999.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 11:58
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Route person "One of us!!!" Are you friggin crazy???
He has taken the Queens shilling and is out to screw, cheat, lie, betray and disrespect you, me and every other present and future aircrew unfortunate enough to be stuck with this circus.
The whole outfit is about to implode so don't waste your sympathy on the Camp guards who were 'only following orders".
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 13:23
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Sooo,

Who will replace? If of course the rumour is true.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 13:25
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Chief Pilots are not on the coin of senior managers. He has resisted the order from above to fire and discipline crew and this is why the rumor is flying around he is on the outer.

He is as good as you will get up there, and let's hope some sycophant who would follow orders to rape and pillage the aircrew to put them in their place according to the outdated playbook they are desperately clinging to does not implant themselves into dead mans shoes.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 13:28
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The next muppet in line will replace him. It is not a position of power, just a glorified line pilot that spends a little more time in Cathay city than the regular line guy.

Besides, does it really matter? So the fleet updates will be signed by a different individual, not much else will change. But it does show how effective CC has been.

Keep up the good work boys and girls.
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