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Blowback, maybe you are right. I hope you are! But look at it from a more distant perspective: our job is clearly defined, fly from A to B. I certainly see an increase of cold blood anger lately, I hear explecitives when talking about management, and I hear threats of leaving or early retirement. But they are just that: threats. I do not see a compromise of safety or lack of efficiency, I do not see people refusing discretion.
Arfur, don't forget, you (sort of) invited me 😎
Cxorcist, I do not care about seniority numbers. I do not see a crew shortage, and so every B scaler leaving and getting replaced by C is a win for the company, not a loss as you imply.
Why do we talk now about housing for B suddenly, Rod et al?? Where did that come from?
It is because YOU guys started it.
YOU guys keep on telling the C scale guys how bad, how unfair, how insulting their package is. For years I hear that in the cockpit, the sorry, emphatic look on your face when you talkto the poor, deprived SO.
Now you get what you have sown.
Demands like the one from baggagecart above is what you get in return.
Plus they will vote down even reasonable pay increase offers ( 10 % plus in 3 years plus 5 years LoLis not bad, it just isn't)
You primed them for years for more, now deal with it.
Congrats!!
Arfur, don't forget, you (sort of) invited me 😎
Cxorcist, I do not care about seniority numbers. I do not see a crew shortage, and so every B scaler leaving and getting replaced by C is a win for the company, not a loss as you imply.
Why do we talk now about housing for B suddenly, Rod et al?? Where did that come from?
It is because YOU guys started it.
YOU guys keep on telling the C scale guys how bad, how unfair, how insulting their package is. For years I hear that in the cockpit, the sorry, emphatic look on your face when you talkto the poor, deprived SO.
Now you get what you have sown.
Demands like the one from baggagecart above is what you get in return.
Plus they will vote down even reasonable pay increase offers ( 10 % plus in 3 years plus 5 years LoLis not bad, it just isn't)
You primed them for years for more, now deal with it.
Congrats!!
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Paul,
The seniority list has to grow if the airline is to grow. Right? Or am I just really bad at math? Seems to me we are already short of pilots, at least on some fleets. So we might need more pilots to fly those shiny plastic jets coming from Airbus. I realize not all will be growth, but those which are will require about 20 extra pilots more per aircraft.
Also, you say management celebrates when a B scaler is replaced by a C scaler. Really? You'd rather have a zero or near zero experience, cheap "pilot" in need of massive amounts of training OVER a pilot with thousands of flying hours from various backgrounds already in possession of said training. Sorry, I disagree. The guy with a spreadsheet might prefer that, but he does not know anything about running an airline.
The seniority list has to grow if the airline is to grow. Right? Or am I just really bad at math? Seems to me we are already short of pilots, at least on some fleets. So we might need more pilots to fly those shiny plastic jets coming from Airbus. I realize not all will be growth, but those which are will require about 20 extra pilots more per aircraft.
Also, you say management celebrates when a B scaler is replaced by a C scaler. Really? You'd rather have a zero or near zero experience, cheap "pilot" in need of massive amounts of training OVER a pilot with thousands of flying hours from various backgrounds already in possession of said training. Sorry, I disagree. The guy with a spreadsheet might prefer that, but he does not know anything about running an airline.
I have to say I agree with STW on one point. I know two very senior captains over the last year who resigned, one an STC and a good friend. With an obvious crew shortage, neither was asked, 'what can we do to keep you?', or 'would you like a part time roster' or offered leave without pay. It was just, 'Goodbye, have a nice life'. I can't get my head around it.
I can only attribute it to incompetence, denial, or a plan to replace us with cheap ex-cadets, low-timers and locals. Unfortunately, I suspect that the last is most likely.
I can only attribute it to incompetence, denial, or a plan to replace us with cheap ex-cadets, low-timers and locals. Unfortunately, I suspect that the last is most likely.
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330,
That's 100% true and exactly what I am referring to when Paul M talks about low attrition rates. You can't hire hundreds of cadets and only grow the list by 7 unless the attrition rate has sky-rocketed. There just aren't that many retirements going on. CX pilots are leaving. In the US, about 10% have left.
That's 100% true and exactly what I am referring to when Paul M talks about low attrition rates. You can't hire hundreds of cadets and only grow the list by 7 unless the attrition rate has sky-rocketed. There just aren't that many retirements going on. CX pilots are leaving. In the US, about 10% have left.
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I believe that 2 very senior Capt 's in the training dept are reaching 55 soon. both great guys
They wanted to stay on by signing over to COS 08 , but because we have a surplus of pilots at the moment the management told them they were no longer required
I despair with management decisions like that
They wanted to stay on by signing over to COS 08 , but because we have a surplus of pilots at the moment the management told them they were no longer required
I despair with management decisions like that
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Dear "Curtain" are you Blind?
Can I spot a cunningly hidden clue? Perhaps its because they're:-
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I'll never understand how all those guys on bases put up with it.
on bases
