You have got payrise!
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Nice letter from the man that reckoned we deserved no pay rise as part of his pay scale review. Only to now be so compassionate by deciding we were always worth rewarding by an increase. I especially like how he is trying to blame others for the delay, while saying he will not talk about it any more until January. Maybe CC would be appropriate until talks come in January 
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Don't you love RH's comment:
Really??? This is the 2014 pay review, the same one which he conducted at the end of 2013 and determined there was no need for a salary adjustment.
Remember people, this is the 2014 rise. In another month, they'll probably be announcing 2015 raises for ground staff, once again without any productivity trade off. I wonder what our 2015 adjustment will be......
It is the strongly held view that it is not right to keep the flight crew community waiting any longer when it has been agreed that pay scales need to be adjusted. A fact that is supported by some of the shared data on pilot packages within the industry.
Remember people, this is the 2014 rise. In another month, they'll probably be announcing 2015 raises for ground staff, once again without any productivity trade off. I wonder what our 2015 adjustment will be......
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A freeloader, perhaps. But frankly, I'm only in for the insurance at this point.
The GC and AOA leadership have, once again, proven themselves unfit for purpose. They have in no way represented the wishes of the membership.
That much is a fact.
The GC and AOA leadership have, once again, proven themselves unfit for purpose. They have in no way represented the wishes of the membership.
That much is a fact.
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Free Loaders
Non AOA members. I really don't know how you can look at yourself in the mirror?
Go ahead and make some excuse to justify your selfish, jellyfish position. I am sure you can convince yourself that you are right if you try hard enough.
Bottom line, if not for the AOA and the work of the committee members past and present, there would not have been a pay raise.
Go crawl back under your rock.
AOA Members, celebrate, take the money and continue your personal CC.
Go ahead and make some excuse to justify your selfish, jellyfish position. I am sure you can convince yourself that you are right if you try hard enough.
Bottom line, if not for the AOA and the work of the committee members past and present, there would not have been a pay raise.
Go crawl back under your rock.
AOA Members, celebrate, take the money and continue your personal CC.
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Bottom Line Bellcrank:
The Company forced the pay rise on us that the Union did not want. Market forces are the reason the Company wants us to have this pay rise. It may have been backdated due to the CC sabre rattling, but lets face it the GC was not exactly a rallying cry in leading CC.
The Company forced the pay rise on us that the Union did not want. Market forces are the reason the Company wants us to have this pay rise. It may have been backdated due to the CC sabre rattling, but lets face it the GC was not exactly a rallying cry in leading CC.
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Bell rank..you're a ****. What freaking pay rise???? I haven't had a bloody pay rise since 1996!!! How dare you make such a critical and disingenuous comment for those who have lost faith in an Association.. Small a deliberate...an association that has no interest in protecting, representing or supporting those who grew this airline..small a again... So that scum like you can quaterise the benefits the likes of the old guard have won for you.
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If it were not for the AOA the company would NEVER have forced on us a salary adjustment against which we voted. True.
The company would have given us the same, sub-inflation salary adjustment. We just wouldn't have previously voted against it.
That's the only difference.
The company would have given us the same, sub-inflation salary adjustment. We just wouldn't have previously voted against it.
That's the only difference.
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bellcrank, if the AOA members should continue their "personal CC," what will be the difference IF the GC calls for AOA-wide CC?
Nothing, except that the company will have clear justification for defensive rostering.
That's a big IF, too.
AOA (different contracts, pay rates, pilot groups around the world; different salary adjustments offered to different groups; company pay offer divided the groups basically half-half) + company imposes rejected pay offer = AOA impotence
Nothing, except that the company will have clear justification for defensive rostering.
That's a big IF, too.
AOA (different contracts, pay rates, pilot groups around the world; different salary adjustments offered to different groups; company pay offer divided the groups basically half-half) + company imposes rejected pay offer = AOA impotence
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I agree. I personally can't see cc making much of a difference, except that we will get screwed more by rostering. I hazard a guess that most of those pilots working g s etc. are not AOA members anyway.
Isn't it, after years of inflation, not a pay 'rise' but a reduced pay cut?
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E mail is addressed to "all flight crew except those based in Australia and Canada". I guess this is because negotiations continue for these bases.
The most fortunate group, however, are UK Unified FO1 – FO4 who get a 5% pay rise. Which goes to show why we have had this increase forced upon us. Why does this (non existent) group get a proportionately higher raise than everyone else? Is it so the recruiters can lie to new joiners about the salary they will receive when they are at this seniority level and take up a UK base? Or is it because CX anticipate recruiting directly onto the base?
The most fortunate group, however, are UK Unified FO1 – FO4 who get a 5% pay rise. Which goes to show why we have had this increase forced upon us. Why does this (non existent) group get a proportionately higher raise than everyone else? Is it so the recruiters can lie to new joiners about the salary they will receive when they are at this seniority level and take up a UK base? Or is it because CX anticipate recruiting directly onto the base?
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I'm not sure your guess is right wheels. My guess would be that being an AOA member or not has no influence on most CX pilots' decisions to work G days. Despite (like others have said) years and years of AOA pronouncements clearly explaining the negative results of doing so.