Whats the fuss about wasting 9+ months?
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Whats the fuss about wasting 9+ months?
Why are the top dogs frustrated , disappointed about wasting 9+ months. Other employ groups did not need to waste a single day to achieve a rise greater than us. Oh maybe they were instrumental in keeping our largest cost ( fuel ) under controll#¥*€!#
What's wrong with 5/4/4 oh I get it we need to control the pilots and they should not achieve any moral advantage at any cost...
Who is wasting money now?
What's wrong with 5/4/4 oh I get it we need to control the pilots and they should not achieve any moral advantage at any cost...
Who is wasting money now?
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If one side comes in with a demand for 10% improvement, and the other side wants to only give a 1% improvement, the only way to make it seem it was close is to draaaaaaaggggggg itttttt out and make it seem over, like, nine months, so it looks like the two sides were close.
Let's face it - CX says, on day 1, we will give you 1%. AOA NC says, "we want 10%" - by day 2 we are in CC.
Now - stretch these numbers out over nine months. - and have GMA/DFO tell us "how close we got after soooooooooooo many months of negotiation. Suddenly the 9% gap sounds it was almost bridged!!!!
This has never happened before - apart from every other negotiation in the last 20 years, speaking from direct experience of those involved.
So the bottom line is- the 'longer you make it appear to take to negotiate, is the more apparently the deal was so close to be agreed to. You could spend 20 years trying to compromise between 20% payrise and a 1% percent paycut. That disagreement could be sorted, and voted on, within a day. But if you are a Canadian Aspergerbers sufferer, you make it last for far longer than it should, and then make it sound like the sides were very close....
Let's face it - CX says, on day 1, we will give you 1%. AOA NC says, "we want 10%" - by day 2 we are in CC.
Now - stretch these numbers out over nine months. - and have GMA/DFO tell us "how close we got after soooooooooooo many months of negotiation. Suddenly the 9% gap sounds it was almost bridged!!!!
This has never happened before - apart from every other negotiation in the last 20 years, speaking from direct experience of those involved.
So the bottom line is- the 'longer you make it appear to take to negotiate, is the more apparently the deal was so close to be agreed to. You could spend 20 years trying to compromise between 20% payrise and a 1% percent paycut. That disagreement could be sorted, and voted on, within a day. But if you are a Canadian Aspergerbers sufferer, you make it last for far longer than it should, and then make it sound like the sides were very close....
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Hong Kong’s annual inflation rate rose by 6.6 percent in September 2014 from 3.9 percent in August mainly due to the low base of comparison resulted from the Government’s payment of public housing rentals in September last year.
In September, the year-on-year price increases were recorded for: electricity, gas and water (25.7 percent), mainly because some households had used up the full amount of Government's one-off electricity charge subsidy and housing (13.5 percent) due to the temporary low base effect created by the Government's payment of public housing rentals in September last year.
Also, the rise was reported for the cost of alcoholic drinks and tobacco (7.7 percent), mainly due to the increase of tobacco duty; meals bought away from home (4.6 percent); food (excluding meals bought away from home) (2.7 percent); miscellaneous services (2.1 percent); miscellaneous goods (1.9 percent) and transport (1.8 percent).
On the other hand, price of durable goods decreased 3.1 percent.
Netting out the effects of all Government's one-off relief measures, the year-on-year rate of increase in the Inflation rate in September 2014 was 3.3 percent, slightly larger than that in August (3.2 percent), mainly due to the upward adjustment in public housing rentals.
A Government spokesman commented that, looking ahead, inflation should remain contained in the near term, given the moderate local cost pressures and modest rise in import prices. Nevertheless, the Government will continue to monitor the inflation developments closely and stay vigilant to their impact on the lower-income people.
In September, the year-on-year price increases were recorded for: electricity, gas and water (25.7 percent), mainly because some households had used up the full amount of Government's one-off electricity charge subsidy and housing (13.5 percent) due to the temporary low base effect created by the Government's payment of public housing rentals in September last year.
Also, the rise was reported for the cost of alcoholic drinks and tobacco (7.7 percent), mainly due to the increase of tobacco duty; meals bought away from home (4.6 percent); food (excluding meals bought away from home) (2.7 percent); miscellaneous services (2.1 percent); miscellaneous goods (1.9 percent) and transport (1.8 percent).
On the other hand, price of durable goods decreased 3.1 percent.
Netting out the effects of all Government's one-off relief measures, the year-on-year rate of increase in the Inflation rate in September 2014 was 3.3 percent, slightly larger than that in August (3.2 percent), mainly due to the upward adjustment in public housing rentals.
A Government spokesman commented that, looking ahead, inflation should remain contained in the near term, given the moderate local cost pressures and modest rise in import prices. Nevertheless, the Government will continue to monitor the inflation developments closely and stay vigilant to their impact on the lower-income people.
Govt pay increases
Perhaps for comparison you should look at public service increases in salary and benefits over the same period.
Some crews have had no increase since the 90's whilst public service pay and retirement schemes have risen 50% or more in the same time frame.
Some crews have had no increase since the 90's whilst public service pay and retirement schemes have risen 50% or more in the same time frame.
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The company may have no choice but to improve the offer by even 1%.
When they do we'll have proven to have gained via unity some moral ground.
4.5% other staff - no Neg.
4% to pilots after 9 months neg and 4 yrs of goodwill and fuel savings 100kg sector++ What an insult, worthy of a no vote and CC if necessary.
The majority of us thankfully still take pride in our profession.
My thanks to those.
When they do we'll have proven to have gained via unity some moral ground.
4.5% other staff - no Neg.
4% to pilots after 9 months neg and 4 yrs of goodwill and fuel savings 100kg sector++ What an insult, worthy of a no vote and CC if necessary.
The majority of us thankfully still take pride in our profession.
My thanks to those.
Pay scales
For info here are govt pay scales for regular police in hk.
They are subject to ANNUAL increases of 3-4% AND are paid as annual
Pensions on retirement. Housing is supplied.
$118,400-231,550 ...underpaid??
They are subject to ANNUAL increases of 3-4% AND are paid as annual
Pensions on retirement. Housing is supplied.
$118,400-231,550 ...underpaid??
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Quick search shows this
Hong Kong Police Force - Salary
Constables: HK$19,545 - $31,265
Inspectors: HK$36,720 - $69,245
Plus a note: ** With effect from 1st April 2009, new recruits to Police Constable are eligible for 4 Long Service Increments from HK$28,725 to HK$31,265 upon completion of 12, 18, 24 and 30 years of satisfactory in-rank service.
Hong Kong Police Force - Salary
Constables: HK$19,545 - $31,265
Inspectors: HK$36,720 - $69,245
Plus a note: ** With effect from 1st April 2009, new recruits to Police Constable are eligible for 4 Long Service Increments from HK$28,725 to HK$31,265 upon completion of 12, 18, 24 and 30 years of satisfactory in-rank service.
