G day callouts.
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Guys, time to pump the brakes here a bit
1. I don't work G's, nor do I advocate it. I want my days off
-however-
We are not in union sanctioned Contract Compliance yet, I don't believe naming and shaming via Flight Numbers and Ranks on a public forum is appropriate or professional....I don't want to hear about how they are screwing over their fellow pilot body by taking OT away from someone on reserve, I understand the system. But we shouldn't cross the naming and shaming bridge until we get there, and do it in a more private setting....ie AOA forums
2. The master roster tells you fk all
I was recently called up on the first day of a small block of reserve, show up to the desk, skipper didn't shake my hand, say a word to me on the bus all the way up until I hopped into the seat with him, where he proceeded to berate me for being G day scum. Turns out when I got put on the flight he compared my master roster to my real time, saw I went from a nice block of G's to this long haul flight. You can imagine the embarrassment he felt when I explained how I had taken a reserve proffer so a good mate could make a wedding back home.
We are already fighting like school kids at a time where we need to be standing together
Fly safe
1. I don't work G's, nor do I advocate it. I want my days off
-however-
We are not in union sanctioned Contract Compliance yet, I don't believe naming and shaming via Flight Numbers and Ranks on a public forum is appropriate or professional....I don't want to hear about how they are screwing over their fellow pilot body by taking OT away from someone on reserve, I understand the system. But we shouldn't cross the naming and shaming bridge until we get there, and do it in a more private setting....ie AOA forums
2. The master roster tells you fk all
I was recently called up on the first day of a small block of reserve, show up to the desk, skipper didn't shake my hand, say a word to me on the bus all the way up until I hopped into the seat with him, where he proceeded to berate me for being G day scum. Turns out when I got put on the flight he compared my master roster to my real time, saw I went from a nice block of G's to this long haul flight. You can imagine the embarrassment he felt when I explained how I had taken a reserve proffer so a good mate could make a wedding back home.
We are already fighting like school kids at a time where we need to be standing together
Fly safe
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Finally some sense, Auto--pilot is right.
If you want to work G-days, go ahead. We're not in CC, it's an officers individual choice to make. Not yours, not mine but his (or hers!)
When CC starts for real, that's when the gloves come off and not before - you guys are coming in your pants before even getting naked!
If you want to work G-days, go ahead. We're not in CC, it's an officers individual choice to make. Not yours, not mine but his (or hers!)
When CC starts for real, that's when the gloves come off and not before - you guys are coming in your pants before even getting naked!
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Loopdeloop is right.
It's an individuals choice to make.
I make the choice to call G day workers scumbags who are screwing their colleagues for selfish purposes.
Not yours, or his (or hers!) but my choice.
It's an individuals choice to make.
I make the choice to call G day workers scumbags who are screwing their colleagues for selfish purposes.
Not yours, or his (or hers!) but my choice.
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Excuses excuses excuses.
1. G Day workers help the company and adversely affect your fellow pilot.
Therefore G Day workers SCABS.
2. Its OK to work a G day so you can see Little Tony and little Tyler but during Industrial action its OK not to see them as you are towing the AOA line? Bullsh1t.
Therefore G Day workers SCABS.
Pretty simple guys isn't it.
1. G Day workers help the company and adversely affect your fellow pilot.
Therefore G Day workers SCABS.
2. Its OK to work a G day so you can see Little Tony and little Tyler but during Industrial action its OK not to see them as you are towing the AOA line? Bullsh1t.
Therefore G Day workers SCABS.
Pretty simple guys isn't it.
skipper didn't shake my hand, say a word to me on the bus all the way up until I hopped into the seat with him, where he proceeded to berate me for being G day scum.
p.s. Wonder who that was.
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airplane, Oval--looks like my belief struck a nerve. Good. It's probably important at this stage to identify those who put yacht payments ahead of the long term welfare of their fellow workers. In fact, given the nature of social media, I would personally consider it appropriate to identify those individuals making the choice to sell out their fellow workers by making the choice to work G and L days.
Given the nature of our process and the relative progress made to date I would consider at this stage those making the choice to work on G days exactly the same as those making the choice to cross a picket line--for whatever reason--and my rationalization skills are not strong enough to look at it any other way. I will not look at those so doing at present in the same way throughout my career and regard those making this choice to be of questionable virtue and integrity. It would be my hope they are held to account by their peers in that IMHO they are injuring everyone--including themselves--by their unrelenting selfishness. Actions have consequences and to me someone who at this time is working G days speaks volumes about their personal character.
Rod, bet spot on.
Given the nature of our process and the relative progress made to date I would consider at this stage those making the choice to work on G days exactly the same as those making the choice to cross a picket line--for whatever reason--and my rationalization skills are not strong enough to look at it any other way. I will not look at those so doing at present in the same way throughout my career and regard those making this choice to be of questionable virtue and integrity. It would be my hope they are held to account by their peers in that IMHO they are injuring everyone--including themselves--by their unrelenting selfishness. Actions have consequences and to me someone who at this time is working G days speaks volumes about their personal character.
Rod, bet spot on.
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"skipper didn't shake my hand, say a word to me on the bus all the way up until I hopped into the seat with him, where he proceeded to berate me for being G day scum."
If we enter into CC this is the kind of treatment I hope every G-day worker gets.
If we enter into CC this is the kind of treatment I hope every G-day worker gets.
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Just got called on my G day. Didn't answer. Message left asking if I could help with the flight tonight (check-in 13 hours from the call.) Flight from US west coast to HKG.
Checking the roster, I see a YTO FO who was on reserve today has been assigned the flight. Obviously he is not based in this west coast city, so the company is buying him a ticket.
How is it that the company can put PD on the roster yet buy him a ticket which arrives 4:56 before sign-on and then have him fly a 15-hour trans-Pac?
Isn't that in violation of the AFTLS or am I missing something?
Checking the roster, I see a YTO FO who was on reserve today has been assigned the flight. Obviously he is not based in this west coast city, so the company is buying him a ticket.
How is it that the company can put PD on the roster yet buy him a ticket which arrives 4:56 before sign-on and then have him fly a 15-hour trans-Pac?
Isn't that in violation of the AFTLS or am I missing something?
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Not hiding,
Great point. Unless the flight is delayed. This will not be a legal duty. We should watch this one and report to the CAD if it's not right.
What is the flight number off the west coast?
Great point. Unless the flight is delayed. This will not be a legal duty. We should watch this one and report to the CAD if it's not right.
What is the flight number off the west coast?
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Do you really think the CAD cares?
Maybe the FAA cares.
Maybe I am not fully understanding the AFTLS, as I can't seem to determine how a crewmember doing reserve in Toronto with a 2-1/4 hour call-out can be notified at 12:25 to travel at the company's request to a west coast port to operate a long-haul that night at midnight.
I know that the AFTLS have changed, but, that much?
Someone really smart should be able to enlighten us.
When it appears that lack of crew is being addressed by utilizing crew outside the limits of the AFTLS, a cause for concern (or education on how this can be done) exists.
Maybe the FAA cares.
Maybe I am not fully understanding the AFTLS, as I can't seem to determine how a crewmember doing reserve in Toronto with a 2-1/4 hour call-out can be notified at 12:25 to travel at the company's request to a west coast port to operate a long-haul that night at midnight.
I know that the AFTLS have changed, but, that much?
Someone really smart should be able to enlighten us.
When it appears that lack of crew is being addressed by utilizing crew outside the limits of the AFTLS, a cause for concern (or education on how this can be done) exists.
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OK, it's 873 tonight. This is illegal. PD is clearly arranged and paid for by the company. It should be a PT. Why this FO agreed to this is a mystery.
This will get to the CAD... And the FAA if necessary.
This will get to the CAD... And the FAA if necessary.
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Rather than letting the individual drop himself in the guano, if crew control have told him it's legal, but the keener ones amongst you who have looked know it definately isn't, perhaps one of you who know him can let him know before he possibly puts his licence at risk.
Is it too hard to ask for a little teamwork here?
Is it too hard to ask for a little teamwork here?
It would appear one of the FO's on 840, while not on a G day, took the bait and traded his 781 for 840.....enjoy your deal making while it lasts you selfish sob's.
CC is coming and there will be blood if you continue with you're 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes.
CC is coming and there will be blood if you continue with you're 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes.
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took the bait and traded his 781 for 840
I haven't looked at the master roster, and I'm not defending him if he's used any Gs, but if he hasn't used Gs then maybe he was railroaded by CC.
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You guys just aren't getting the message are you??
G day worker, l day worker I don't care what you call it.
Help out the company in this Climate and you are a scab. Thanks for the heads up though with flight numbers. More names going into the little black book.
G day worker, l day worker I don't care what you call it.
Help out the company in this Climate and you are a scab. Thanks for the heads up though with flight numbers. More names going into the little black book.