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Where are you getting those numbers? It seems a bit illegal for US carriers to share that info with CX. Not that it would stop CX, but US carriers would certainly be responsible. Something seems odd there.
Where are you getting those numbers? It seems a bit illegal for US carriers to share that info with CX. Not that it would stop CX, but US carriers would certainly be responsible. Something seems odd there.
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AA has been hiring full-speed. The only anomaly right now is whether you go initially to the US, or AA side pre-merger.
American interviews and class dates - Airline Pilot Central Forums
Interview Calls & Hiring Predictions - Airline Pilot Central Forums
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Airline Pilot Central Forums
50+ pilots hiring a month for the foreseeable future. Same for Delta, and United.
If you are an American considering jumping ship from CX, catch the beginning of this wave, don't wait. I know hope springs eternal but this lot are not going to change. We have a pretty good idea which way the S.S. Cathay is headed.
Sad, could have been a great career.
American interviews and class dates - Airline Pilot Central Forums
Interview Calls & Hiring Predictions - Airline Pilot Central Forums
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Airline Pilot Central Forums
50+ pilots hiring a month for the foreseeable future. Same for Delta, and United.
If you are an American considering jumping ship from CX, catch the beginning of this wave, don't wait. I know hope springs eternal but this lot are not going to change. We have a pretty good idea which way the S.S. Cathay is headed.
Sad, could have been a great career.
Heard this all before so don't hold your breath. Maybe a couple will go but 50 - 100 - 200?? Not a chance ( unfortunately because that is precisely what is required).
Shame.
Shame.
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Oh dear, box. That cutting, incisive, razor-like wit. I'm almost hurt. Just try not to say anything too crass or loud; I don't need any distractions when working on my g day.
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Precisely.
I love how the yanks are suddenly hailing the graces of the US major carriers.
What a farce. Ask any pilot in the civilised world whether they would like to emulate the Ts & Cs of a US carrier. The answer is **** no.
Sorry your appalling hourly pay schedule didn't work out. Luckily most (with any sense) don't view United as some holy grail. I already feel like every other worker wears a name badge to work.
I love how the yanks are suddenly hailing the graces of the US major carriers.
What a farce. Ask any pilot in the civilised world whether they would like to emulate the Ts & Cs of a US carrier. The answer is **** no.
Sorry your appalling hourly pay schedule didn't work out. Luckily most (with any sense) don't view United as some holy grail. I already feel like every other worker wears a name badge to work.
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ETOPS,
Have you bothered to look at any of the contracts of the big 3 US carriers? Unfortunately, our 35 page contract, including "salary", falls woefully short. Have a look for yourself. Stay savvy boys!!
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Have you bothered to look at any of the contracts of the big 3 US carriers? Unfortunately, our 35 page contract, including "salary", falls woefully short. Have a look for yourself. Stay savvy boys!!
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I don't think anyone is hailing the US carriers as the holy grail. It's just that CX has gotten so bad that US legacies start to look compelling. No thanks to all the company loyalists in this asylum working their G days and trying desperately to save the company 100kg. You guys are like abused women blaming yourself (or the AOA) for your abusers indiscretions and always coming back for more in hopes that it will get better. Wise up! It won't.
US carriers are proper seniority airlines with proper contracts and labor protections, but they are far from perfect. You won't be sacked for "no particular reason" but may get furloughed if the economy goes south. Of course, there's nothing to stop CX from having redundancies either except history. If you take a good look, it's obvious that CX is departing from its proud past on many fronts these days. Redundancies could be yet another down the road.
US carriers are proper seniority airlines with proper contracts and labor protections, but they are far from perfect. You won't be sacked for "no particular reason" but may get furloughed if the economy goes south. Of course, there's nothing to stop CX from having redundancies either except history. If you take a good look, it's obvious that CX is departing from its proud past on many fronts these days. Redundancies could be yet another down the road.
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Correct me if I am wrong (you obviously know everything) but the 34 hours is purely an "easy" rostering tool: if the 34 H rule is used, they shoot themselves in the foot, as the duty (or is it sector) length becomes 14.75H with a 3 crew LRO. However, they can roster me to rest for 14H (or the preceding duty length), or a sleep OPORTUNITY between 2200 and 0600, (which takes into account the 14H etc) before operating to Table A or B plus the rest as a 3 man crew. So that would be 18H, as a 3 crew, for only 14H rest! Glass houses and another AOA own goal for pointing it out!
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Redundancies
cxorcist, you have a short memory. Many flight engineers were made redundant.
Remember ASL? 42 Flight Engineers did not have their contracts renewed by CX and had to apply to "ASL" if they wanted a job. Same job, same aircraft, same Ops manuals. Redundant or no contract renewal? - a mute point! Around a dozen Oz F/Es did not get a job as there were fewer vacancies in Oz.
Then there was the winding down of the classic fleet. All the remaining F/Es were made redundant but some were later re-employed in junior positions at ASL with, of course, the associated loss of pay and conditions.
The GMA, the DFO and the MD cared not! Lots of sympathy from the AOA and others though!
I would not rely on past history.
Remember ASL? 42 Flight Engineers did not have their contracts renewed by CX and had to apply to "ASL" if they wanted a job. Same job, same aircraft, same Ops manuals. Redundant or no contract renewal? - a mute point! Around a dozen Oz F/Es did not get a job as there were fewer vacancies in Oz.
Then there was the winding down of the classic fleet. All the remaining F/Es were made redundant but some were later re-employed in junior positions at ASL with, of course, the associated loss of pay and conditions.
The GMA, the DFO and the MD cared not! Lots of sympathy from the AOA and others though!
I would not rely on past history.
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Irrelevant?
Curtain rod - you still have a job, many CX F/Es did not, even though the Company was still operating Classics with cheap ASL labour.
For years I heard the old cry "the Company is going to have to pay more or else no one will join".
I used to reply that the Company would never pay more but would keep lowering the experience levels until they had takers - and look what has happened.
For even more years I heard talk of CC, strike action, sick outs and look what has happened - nothing.
If you read my post again you would realise that I was reminding cxorcist that CX is no stranger to redundancy and that past history is not a comfort blanket.
For my friends and ex colleagues at CX, I wish them well, but you, curtain rod, are irrelevant!
You might want to take a course in "How to win friends and influence people".
For years I heard the old cry "the Company is going to have to pay more or else no one will join".
I used to reply that the Company would never pay more but would keep lowering the experience levels until they had takers - and look what has happened.
For even more years I heard talk of CC, strike action, sick outs and look what has happened - nothing.
If you read my post again you would realise that I was reminding cxorcist that CX is no stranger to redundancy and that past history is not a comfort blanket.
For my friends and ex colleagues at CX, I wish them well, but you, curtain rod, are irrelevant!
You might want to take a course in "How to win friends and influence people".
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FERetd,
Your point is well taken. I had not thought of the FEs when I wrote my last. They were indeed screwed over, in some cases more than once. Just add that to the growing list of reasons to leave.
Your point is well taken. I had not thought of the FEs when I wrote my last. They were indeed screwed over, in some cases more than once. Just add that to the growing list of reasons to leave.