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Yep fully understand DD packs some influence, BUT it is the GC that votes, ultimately it is the GC who has to take resonsibility.
Thunderbirds, wishful thinking as it had already taken place for 18 mnths to no avail, however, new generation of GC's may be able to take history asside in the hope of going forward. (Yes i vote for Federation of course!)
Problem example 1.
Company offers a deal at RPs which says Canadian pilots get at least 20 days off per month, however, rest of us have to make up for shortfall of work, thus giving us less days off.
Federation says, no way, we work together to get a better deal for all. AOAC says umm hang on, we represent only Canadian pilots and MUST get the best deal for THEM, and besides you can't tell us what to do. AOAC votes Yes.
Maybe overly simplistic but, this is what i believe essentially is the problem. You can't run a Federation when one group says we will play ball unless we can get a better deal for our guys and gals.
Thunderbirds, wishful thinking as it had already taken place for 18 mnths to no avail, however, new generation of GC's may be able to take history asside in the hope of going forward. (Yes i vote for Federation of course!)
Problem example 1.
Company offers a deal at RPs which says Canadian pilots get at least 20 days off per month, however, rest of us have to make up for shortfall of work, thus giving us less days off.
Federation says, no way, we work together to get a better deal for all. AOAC says umm hang on, we represent only Canadian pilots and MUST get the best deal for THEM, and besides you can't tell us what to do. AOAC votes Yes.
Maybe overly simplistic but, this is what i believe essentially is the problem. You can't run a Federation when one group says we will play ball unless we can get a better deal for our guys and gals.
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Whilst we all agree the sentiment behind your post, perhaps we need to ask ourselves some searching questions.
The Federation was the first and seemingly obvious concept to manage the "global AOA". However, with hindsight, was it the best way of organizing ourselves? Was it right that the HKAOA sought leverage from Canadian Labour Laws, when it would be the Canadians (solely) that would suffer if the company pushed back? Were/are the Canadians and Australians being open and honest enough with their HKAOA counterparts?
Perhaps all of this is just symptomatic of the growing pains of "The AOA" and we, the members, need to sit back and let the leadership get on with it and keep our eye on the long game. Whilst we all may disagree with various positions taken by various AOA Leaders, some other posters have chosen to demonize certain characters, which is both uncalled for and highly counter-productive to our collective long-term interests.
In 5 years, this will matter not. Canada and Australia will be fully on-shored and some form of working relationship will be forged between their Unions and the HKAOA, because ultimately there is more that unites us than separates us. In the meantime I suggest us, the members, tone down the vitriol and spend a bit of time listening and learning.
To that end, it might be an opportune time for the Leadership of both AOAC and AOAA to put out an update addressed directly to the HKAOA membership. I think they owe the HKAOA members an update at least. In return, we need to "park our prejudices" and think the long game (or at least, until the next pay review
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The Federation was the first and seemingly obvious concept to manage the "global AOA". However, with hindsight, was it the best way of organizing ourselves? Was it right that the HKAOA sought leverage from Canadian Labour Laws, when it would be the Canadians (solely) that would suffer if the company pushed back? Were/are the Canadians and Australians being open and honest enough with their HKAOA counterparts?
Perhaps all of this is just symptomatic of the growing pains of "The AOA" and we, the members, need to sit back and let the leadership get on with it and keep our eye on the long game. Whilst we all may disagree with various positions taken by various AOA Leaders, some other posters have chosen to demonize certain characters, which is both uncalled for and highly counter-productive to our collective long-term interests.
In 5 years, this will matter not. Canada and Australia will be fully on-shored and some form of working relationship will be forged between their Unions and the HKAOA, because ultimately there is more that unites us than separates us. In the meantime I suggest us, the members, tone down the vitriol and spend a bit of time listening and learning.
To that end, it might be an opportune time for the Leadership of both AOAC and AOAA to put out an update addressed directly to the HKAOA membership. I think they owe the HKAOA members an update at least. In return, we need to "park our prejudices" and think the long game (or at least, until the next pay review
)
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Good post Liam.
HKAOA would never agree I suspect. The one-sided message sent to their members castigating AOA C merited a right of reply but AOA C could send it only to their members.
I'll eat my hat (if I could find it) if the HKAOA leadership agreed to your idea.
Management must be laughing their heads off at the separate AOA's.
HKAOA would never agree I suspect. The one-sided message sent to their members castigating AOA C merited a right of reply but AOA C could send it only to their members.
I'll eat my hat (if I could find it) if the HKAOA leadership agreed to your idea.
Management must be laughing their heads off at the separate AOA's.
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AAR
Regarding AOAC and AOAA speaking directly with the HKAOA membership, anything they say will eventually end up in the public domain, so they may as well strip out the sensitive details and post it on here!! I think we can "join the dots" and understand (if not accept) their positions.
