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It is interesting to note the response the FAU is receiving from the company. Perhaps we should consider merging the AOA into the FAU and have them represent us. 
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See the new pattern the cabin crew have got.
HKG-RUH-BAH(PX)-HKG(PX) a casual 23:10 duty stuck on a plane.
There's a second one too going the other way around I believe.
HKG-RUH-BAH(PX)-HKG(PX) a casual 23:10 duty stuck on a plane.
There's a second one too going the other way around I believe.
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Cathay boss stands firm on pay dispute....
Cathay Pacific is seeking common ground with its flight attendants union even though its already rejected offer of a 2 per cent pay rise is "very much" a final decision, chief executive John Slosar said.
In an interview yesterday on the eve of talks resuming with the union today, Slosar said he could not describe himself as positive that the dispute over next year's pay rise and other matters could be resolved within a few days as negotiations had not yet started.
But he stressed that the airline would be open-minded in an effort to reach common ground.
"If you go back and look at the past, things can normally get resolved quickly," he said.
His comments came as the union also criticised the airline for its announcement that cabin crew flying to Riyadh would not get a night's rest in a hotel there, instead having to rest in-flight on the journey back to Hong Kong. The union said this would be exhausting for the crew, and criticised the airline for announcing such an "inhuman" measure ahead of today's negotiations.
The pay dispute was sparked after the airline announced on November 30 that its flight attendants would get a 2 per cent pay rise next year instead of the 5 per cent the union had sought.
The 6,000-strong Cathay Pacific Flight Attendants Union has threatened industrial action - a work-to-rule or limited services - before Christmas, escalating to a strike on New Year's Eve.
Asked if the 2 per cent offer was final, Slosar said: "Very much so. We've already announced that for all our Hong Kong-based staff, and we're certainly not going to change it for this group or that group."
The union has also called for the scrapping of a cross-base flying scheme for cheaper non-local cabin crew it fears will gradually replace local crew. Slosar said 60 per cent of the foreign-based cabin crew were actually Hong Kong identity card holders who needed to stay overseas for reasons such as that their families were there.
He fended off claims that overseas cabin crew were cheaper, saying that while those in Thailand were, those in countries like Canada and Britain were not.
He also rejected criticism that the airline was lowering outport allowances - paid to cover flight attendants' expenses during overseas stays between flights - saying the average allowance had gone up by 9.6 per cent this year.
On the union's demand for suspension of "red-eye flights" - when cabin crew had to work overnight with only about one hour between shifts - Slosar said there were only about three such flights in a day.
He said he hoped the union would not take industrial action. "We take very seriously the need to get customers to their destinations," he said.
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Tuesday, 18 December
In an interview yesterday on the eve of talks resuming with the union today, Slosar said he could not describe himself as positive that the dispute over next year's pay rise and other matters could be resolved within a few days as negotiations had not yet started.
But he stressed that the airline would be open-minded in an effort to reach common ground.
"If you go back and look at the past, things can normally get resolved quickly," he said.
His comments came as the union also criticised the airline for its announcement that cabin crew flying to Riyadh would not get a night's rest in a hotel there, instead having to rest in-flight on the journey back to Hong Kong. The union said this would be exhausting for the crew, and criticised the airline for announcing such an "inhuman" measure ahead of today's negotiations.
The pay dispute was sparked after the airline announced on November 30 that its flight attendants would get a 2 per cent pay rise next year instead of the 5 per cent the union had sought.
The 6,000-strong Cathay Pacific Flight Attendants Union has threatened industrial action - a work-to-rule or limited services - before Christmas, escalating to a strike on New Year's Eve.
Asked if the 2 per cent offer was final, Slosar said: "Very much so. We've already announced that for all our Hong Kong-based staff, and we're certainly not going to change it for this group or that group."
The union has also called for the scrapping of a cross-base flying scheme for cheaper non-local cabin crew it fears will gradually replace local crew. Slosar said 60 per cent of the foreign-based cabin crew were actually Hong Kong identity card holders who needed to stay overseas for reasons such as that their families were there.
He fended off claims that overseas cabin crew were cheaper, saying that while those in Thailand were, those in countries like Canada and Britain were not.
He also rejected criticism that the airline was lowering outport allowances - paid to cover flight attendants' expenses during overseas stays between flights - saying the average allowance had gone up by 9.6 per cent this year.
On the union's demand for suspension of "red-eye flights" - when cabin crew had to work overnight with only about one hour between shifts - Slosar said there were only about three such flights in a day.
He said he hoped the union would not take industrial action. "We take very seriously the need to get customers to their destinations," he said.
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Perhaps we should consider merging the AOA into the FAU and have them represent us.
The only option is to grow a spine and sack-up unfortunately. Sucks to be in the trenches, but you either sit there sucking your thumb or you shoot back. Personal choice really. Joining another army is not gonna magically give you the strength to fight.
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Well Put Squawk 7700
Perhaps we should consider a simple first step, which is contract compliance. Crew control operates solely to contract compliance, so why shouldn't we.
I respect the AOA representatives that are working deligently on our behalf however the company does not see the need to even discuss issues with us. Management response is demonstrating a lack of respect for our association.
We therefore have to make the first move to get their attention (like the FAU). I agree put up or shut up. I do believe there is enough interest out there to "put up."
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I respect the AOA representatives that are working deligently on our behalf however the company does not see the need to even discuss issues with us. Management response is demonstrating a lack of respect for our association.
We therefore have to make the first move to get their attention (like the FAU). I agree put up or shut up. I do believe there is enough interest out there to "put up."
Comments or suggestions.
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I wanted to post when this thread first started but couldn't as I was on the floor PMSL.
And I'm sure most of the FAU would have been doing the same after reading this- because those guys have bigger balls than all of us.
In the past 12 months, we have seen how our Paris Colleagues have been treated and our Instructors down in ADL. In any union in the UK, this behavior would have resulted in a wildcat strike by its members- Bob Crow wouldn't have even had to write an email to his members.
We weren't even given the option. All in the interest of "good relations".
If those two examples didn't allow us to show our teeth, then nothing will.
The FAU are better off and stronger without us. Embarrassing
And I'm sure most of the FAU would have been doing the same after reading this- because those guys have bigger balls than all of us.
In the past 12 months, we have seen how our Paris Colleagues have been treated and our Instructors down in ADL. In any union in the UK, this behavior would have resulted in a wildcat strike by its members- Bob Crow wouldn't have even had to write an email to his members.
We weren't even given the option. All in the interest of "good relations".
If those two examples didn't allow us to show our teeth, then nothing will.
The FAU are better off and stronger without us. Embarrassing
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I'm supportive of the FAU's plight but maybe I'm missing something in regards to the Riyadh pattern. Didn't the FA's cry about overnighting there a few years ago? So they don't want to spend the night in Riyadh, but they also don't want to PX home? Which is it?
Those of you with short memories recall there are 200 of your colleagues engaged in EBA negotiations in Oz and we cannot take any action while talks continue in good faith.
Besides I totally agree with some of the posts above with regards to solidarity amoungst the Pilot group.. Doomed springs to mind year after year!!
Besides I totally agree with some of the posts above with regards to solidarity amoungst the Pilot group.. Doomed springs to mind year after year!!
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So the girls are fed up with the red-eye flights. Don't want to do them and are clearly prepared to fight to get them off the roster. Even though they get critical G after. Us, we get not a single day off after, yet we keep doing them. Same for the short layovers that generate critical G's for the cabin crew, we get nothing, back to work the next day. What now? if the FAU is successful in getting these flights changed for them, we should hang our heads in shame. Time to stop blindly doing as we are told, or probably not. Just another "industrial issue" that we will continue to suck up.
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Batman,
You're pretty short sighted and unimaginative if you think a layover in RUH or PX all the way home is the only solution. FYI we always had these RUH flights, the layovers in RUH however have only been around for the past year. Nothing stopping us from overnighting in BAH or AUH.
You're pretty short sighted and unimaginative if you think a layover in RUH or PX all the way home is the only solution. FYI we always had these RUH flights, the layovers in RUH however have only been around for the past year. Nothing stopping us from overnighting in BAH or AUH.
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Curtain,
ASR(F) all the time, not one to tell my "buddies" what to do. We are all grown ups. Perhaps why I am not in training.
Funny though that I lost count at 7, the number of avenues you mentioned to "petition" to get things changed. Seems we have been given umpteen avenues to highlight unsafe/fatiguing duties but none too effective. Seems the FAU has a better more efficient way to get more reasonable results.
Think of that wonderful TOD fatigue survey, how many of those patterns or ones similar have snuck back on the roster.
ASR(F) all the time, not one to tell my "buddies" what to do. We are all grown ups. Perhaps why I am not in training.
Funny though that I lost count at 7, the number of avenues you mentioned to "petition" to get things changed. Seems we have been given umpteen avenues to highlight unsafe/fatiguing duties but none too effective. Seems the FAU has a better more efficient way to get more reasonable results.
Think of that wonderful TOD fatigue survey, how many of those patterns or ones similar have snuck back on the roster.
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The difference is that a lot of cabin crew see their jobs as temporary (just look at the BC turn over rate) where as this is still a career for pilots. They've got much less to lose
If you are looking at a job as a potential career, then you are the one with lots to lose when you allow it to deteriorate and go pear-shaped. If you look at a job as temporary, then why would you even care about the conditions - you would simply just move on when it got intolerable.
And if you think CC look at this as "temporary", you are sorely mistaken or don't work for CX. You know the seniority required to make ISM or even SP?
You must stop justifying inaction. It is catching up to you quicker than you can see.
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You must stop justifying inaction. It is catching up to you quicker than you can see
When I heard about about our Paris Colleagues I was aching for an email asking us to vote for strike action. This was the perfect time to send a big F U to management, a chance to say we won't bend over and take it anymore. It never came. Of course the excuses were the usual BS about how talks were ongoing to get the best deal.
NO! Completely wrong. Diplomacy was written-off the moment this complete and utter disregard for our Paris colleagues occurred. This was our best opportunity for action and now that chance has gone.
