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lookstrips looks as though if u wanted a joburg trip in August you have to be in Check and Training. They get the best leave slots now they get the flights they want to...
No I don't expect an exception for me. I do however think every JNB trip in August to C&T is a little unfair. Take half and leave some for others to have a go. Even to your biased and unfair mind this should seem reasonable. I am senior to 90% of C&T and always will be. As for their position as a C&T then yes RHIP (rank has its privileges ) and I have no beef with that. But taking so many trips to one destination is a little unfair.
Hi Panza, out of genuine curiosity, did you bid for a particular JNB flt, or bid for any departure date to JNB? Did you get one?
I had always thought that unless the JNB flts that went to the c&t guys were part of 'W' pattern, that allocations should be in seniority. Just because an individual may be part of the c&t dept should not give them one ounce of seniority. Have you forwarded the details to the JRC?
I think that most of the training is now on long haul due to the high number of icadets joining. I normally am senior enough to get either a jnb or a Fco flight, but this month i got none. Lots of regional integrated patterns instead!
The only two trips they can train an SO at no extra cost is JNB and FCO. If they put them on an AKL, DME or any of the middle east trips they would need to load an extra FO to sit in the seat during the CNs rest. It should be a case of loading an extra guy as the training value is increased going to different ports rather than just FCO or JNB.
777 or 340? As SloppyJoe said, there are stuff all trips they can use for SO training on the 340 without having to load an additional qualified FO or SO. Given there's a dire shortage of both, I'd suggest that's not going to happen and all 340 SO training will therefore be done on FCO or JNB trips.
Check & Training flights are always crewed first when the roster is constructed. If you're a line driver and they need the flights for training, then you'll miss out, regardless of seniority.
Unfortunately it is fairly obvious that it is Airbus specific.
There are only 2 good trips on the Bus right now, Joburg and Rome, so when every single one of those trips are given to training SO's, regular line Captains are understandably upset.
Especially considering SO's can easily, and more efficiently, be trained on regional and mid-haul sectors, completing their courses in less than half the time and getting checked to line and working for the company, rather than slowly stretching out their training on the only long-haul flights we have, also causing every single non-training Airbus Captain dreaming of suicide rather than having to face another month of Riyahd, Bombay and Jakarta with no respite!
Think of how wonderfully efficient it would be to train the new SO's on the Jakarta night return trips... And Moscow, and India trips. They would all be up, and on the line in no time. And everyone (except the most junior crew in the company perhaps!) would be happy.
looks as though if u wanted a joburg trip in August you have to be in Check and Training. They get the best leave slots now they get the flights they want to...
Do elaborate how you believe it to be fairly obviously an Airbus-specific thread.
On topic, what else to do? If SOs were doing their LFUS on regional sectors, surely that would be cause for the trainers to be upset, no?
SO LFUS is about the only crack the trainers have at long haul..
I'm not disagreeing with you, merely playing devils advocate.
Jnb is 2 sectors over a 5 day pattern.. Barely earning the extra 10% training pay they get. They could put in 10 training sectors in the same time. I think the line drivers aren't complaining that jnb and fco go to trainers, what we don't like is EVERY flight in one month goes to them..
Last edited by PanZa-Lead; 22nd Jul 2012 at 06:25.
