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raven, you're such a typical wank*r. I bet you have long sleeves and cufflinks!
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but your limit is still 15 knots until you complete a proper upgrade.
So, we all have P1 ratings and do the same sim checks (well, I must say that those for captains are easier than those for FOs) and you call "upgrade" "PROPER?"
Upgrade at Cathay Pathetic is purely being able to make it through the demeaning negative criticism without spoiling the ego of the wank*r trainer who doesn't remove his four bars while he's training a new captain because no one would recognize him as an authority figure if those four bars were not sitting on his shoulders.
If we're going to debate skillsets, then let's focus on the real issue at hand: our sole recruitment source is a stream of cadets who spend 3-4 years PXing before being given the controls of a 300ton+ airplane.
Whatever skills STP, 711, Nitpicker, Iron Skillet and Raven11 may (or may not) have, they're certainly going to need them as they (push/pull/roll/kick/add thrust/remove thrust/take command) [delete as required] to keep this show safely on the road from the left seat.
A 10-20% mix of cadets is a great thing and can certainly be managed (and trained) accordingly, but a 100% source is way beyond control.
With so many 'senior skill-sets' in the upper levels of this organisation (you name the background, we have it), it defies belief that we're watching this happen. The very gentlemen, who based on their lifetime of experience are perhaps the most qualified to speak against this nonsense, portray the loudest silence only broken by the clinging of coffers in hallways of power.
It is indeed shocking that the entry pilot requirements for this Major, International, Widebody jet airline are 0-100 hours. It's hard to imagine that if you have couple thousand hours of Navajo or King Air time you are WAY overqualified for this job and CX is not interested in you! Just think about that, 100% of the pilots joining this airline have ZERO experience. (Yes - 200 hours is the same as zero!). Amazing, and probably completely unprecedented for Major carrier.
There are many people that are deeply concerned about this and it is indeed a shame that those with the power are letting it happen.
I haven't seen CX's new recruitment policy being publicized on the front page of the Pie Man Sarry show in the SCMP, so if he doesn't care, nobody else does!!!!!
Raven, I am curious as to your posts. You certainly sound like a stereotype elderly westerner who is unusually defensive. Do you have regular conflict in the cockpit? I will soon be joining CX and I am interested to know why one ends up so extremely bitter? Although I have not yet done any flying, I can assure you that others of your vintage will be surprised at how quickly our skills will eclipse yours
Raven,
I am curious as to your posts. You certainly sound like a stereotype elderly westerner who is unusually defensive. Do you have regular conflict in the cockpit? I will soon be joining CX and I am interested to know why one ends up so extremely bitter? Although I have not yet done any flying, I can assure you that others of your vintage will be surprised at how quickly our skills will eclipse yours
This is the same idiot that thinks;
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Lack of experience can be overcome by high IQ and hard work.
And now it sounds like he is an i-cadet. If this is the path we are following now, CX is in serious trouble!
I am curious to know if "Primed" is indeed an i-cadet or a wannabe. It is doubtful any serious first-world organization would consider this bloke to handle an airplane, much less a delivery lorry. If CX is truly a "one crash" airline, then Air China must be highly willing to take a serious haircut on their investment.
..just hope not too many colleagues from other airlines reading this thread!!
quite weird! barely to understand how some of these "fellows" want to command an aircraft. ..hopefully some of them will master to "resume their command of life" after they retire-without all the "appreciation" being a commander of a LH aircraft..honorable peers are not judged by their job, but by their attitude and personality!!
I am curious as to your posts. You certainly sound like a stereotype elderly westerner who is unusually defensive. Do you have regular conflict in the cockpit? I will soon be joining CX and I am interested to know why one ends up so extremely bitter? Although I have not yet done any flying, I can assure you that others of your vintage will be surprised at how quickly our skills will eclipse yours
now that is funny haha good on you. I for one am looking forward to flying with such an intelligent person.
"Upgrade at Cathay Pathetic is purely being able to make it through the demeaning negative criticism without spoiling the ego of the wank*r trainer who doesn't remove his four bars while he's training a new captain because no one would recognize him as an authority figure if those four bars were not sitting on his shoulders."
Does lashing out at others make you feel more like a man?? Try debating with some measured words without the use of adolescent tone, or symbology.
Oval, I've been involved in the training departments of both military and civil aviation even before I joined Cathay. So I think I can make an objective assessment about the different training systems in aviation. Cathay's training system is not perfect, but it is one of the best I've ever been involved with....and I would put it up against any other system out there.
If you really do think that Cathay is "pathetic" and that training pilots are "wank*rs" with ego problems, then I'd say your comments say more about who you are than your intended targets. Remember this thread is supposed to be about going beyond normal retirement age....unless you learn to relax the issue will prove moot.
We all have to pass annual checks and upgrades...it's part of the job. Try showing a bit more class.
And then there's Primed.....
Well, in 40 years of flying you aren't the first one just out of diapers to spout off about how good a pilot you would make, and how quickly your skills will outshine mine.....and that without even having completed your first flying lesson yet (my, my, how our recruiting has changed).
I wish you luck and hope that in 40 years (if you last that long) you'll finally achieve your goal.
