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Old 25th Jul 2011, 03:18   #1 (permalink)
 
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EFP

Where the devil have CX hidden the EFP rates in the manuals.

Cannot find la...

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Old 25th Jul 2011, 03:50   #2 (permalink)
 
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No rates per se, formula to work it out is in Sched 2 of your contract (or it is in mine anyway...)
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 04:02   #3 (permalink)
 
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Blogsey

Thanks Blogsey,

i thought somwhere in the manuals was the formula for
84.1 hours up to 92(?)= XX rate
92.1 up to 96 (?)= XX rate
etc

Anyone?
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 04:17   #4 (permalink)
 
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Didn't Blogsey just answer your question??

Hellooo?


PS I'll give you a clue: it's in Schedule 2 of my contract as well.


edited for spelling.
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 06:29   #5 (permalink)
 
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What's EFP??

I am never given more than 83.9 hrs, so I have no need to know where to find these so called "EFP rates", but I looked, and they are actually in schedule 2 of my contract as well. Go figure.
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 15:42   #6 (permalink)
 
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It's one thing not knowing what is in the manuals, but there is no excuse for not knowing what is in YOUR contract.

What hope have the AOA got defending your contract when you don't even know what is in it yourself?

Sorry to rant, but.....

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Old 25th Jul 2011, 22:42   #7 (permalink)
 
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He knows what he wanted to find, he was just asking assistance in finding it.
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 23:13   #8 (permalink)
 
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As was said by previous posters, just take a look at Schedule 2 of your COS and you should find it there.

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Old 26th Jul 2011, 01:39   #9 (permalink)
 
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Thanks to those with genuine answers.

Next Q...where on intracx is the contract page for viewing?

Thanks
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 02:19   #10 (permalink)
 
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Surely slipslopslut you can't be this stupid or lazy, but in case you are you were given a hard copy of your COS when you joined, but you can't ask people on here where you put it, or failing that have a look at the left hand side toolbar on crewdirect.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 03:33   #11 (permalink)
 
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Messiah

Hey pal,
I can ask whatever question I want.

Who the f%$k are you, d!ckh$%d
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 04:00   #12 (permalink)
 
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Awesome, so you are too stupid or lazy to know where your own contract is but I'm the d!ckh$%d? I think I've flown with you
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 04:06   #13 (permalink)
 
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You have flown with me Messiah,
I had to take over control...remember!
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 04:21   #14 (permalink)
 
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Yeah you sound like a real ace
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 04:55   #15 (permalink)
 
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Crew Direct.....
Conditions of Service/Policy......
CoS.......
Schedule 2

Schedule 1: Salary
Schedule 2: EFP/HDP

It has been updated....effective 1 July 2011
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 05:03   #16 (permalink)
 
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Something for all to note...

My understanding is that part of the 2011 payrises is the inclusion of HDP in EFP payments. So while in the past EFP was determined solely by salary divided by 84, it is now salary plus HDP divided by 84 times the 1.5, 2.5, or 3.5. HDP is also PF-able, but EFP still is not.

Happy to be corrected...

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Old 26th Jul 2011, 05:22   #17 (permalink)
 
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That's my understanding too....but we'll have to wait for the August Payslip (assuming you are in overtime) to check that the system is calculating that correctly.

If you go to PeopleCX and review your Salary History (1 July 2011)....there is already an error.

HDP says 0-55hrs, 55-59hrs & >70hrs
...obviously it should say 55-69hrs
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 06:38   #18 (permalink)
 
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Silberfuchs

Thankyou very much sir, or madam.

Great help.

regards

sss
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Old 27th Jul 2011, 00:12   #19 (permalink)
 
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I can't stand flying with people that don't know their AFTLS or their COS!

No wonder the company continues to run rings around us...

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Old 27th Jul 2011, 20:22   #20 (permalink)
 
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Hey Jed, can I expand on that to read:
Don't know their AFTL's, COS,working on a G day (because I had to answer the phone, or I accidently logged on to Crew Direct) and too scared to fill out an ASR-F because I want to keep a low profile because my command is coming up (date of joining 2008 ! ----- what are you smoking son?)
Professionalism in it's purest form.
Grow a pair !
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