worldwide pilot shortage
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So, if carrying your kit from an unserviceable Caribou to its replacement is called a 'Humpex,' doing the deed with a 'copy watch' should be a 'Rollex.'
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Never was, probably never will be
Guys,
When are all of you ever going to wake up to pure facts. There is no such thing as a Pilot shortage, as a matter of fact there's probably too many eager flyers out there that would fly for food. Damnn if there was a shortage do you really think the LCC's would be offering job's by payment of your own type rating. Even Emirates still hasn't got any trouble getting their 500-700 guys(don't believe the Ppruners in the sandbox,i've got real facts)
Even our "great" company is so scared of the pilot shortage that they're offering job's with no Housing at all( go ask recruitment and they'll let you know how many cv's are pouring in daily).
Can't understand the reason these ridiculous articles keep popping up.
When are all of you ever going to wake up to pure facts. There is no such thing as a Pilot shortage, as a matter of fact there's probably too many eager flyers out there that would fly for food. Damnn if there was a shortage do you really think the LCC's would be offering job's by payment of your own type rating. Even Emirates still hasn't got any trouble getting their 500-700 guys(don't believe the Ppruners in the sandbox,i've got real facts)
Even our "great" company is so scared of the pilot shortage that they're offering job's with no Housing at all( go ask recruitment and they'll let you know how many cv's are pouring in daily).
Can't understand the reason these ridiculous articles keep popping up.
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Saying "my company is recruiting plenty of pilots so there is no pilot shortage" is about as ignorant as the people who say "it is cold today, so global warming is a bunch of bullsheet".
There are trends and they are being felt at the extremes. If you work at Emirates or Cathay you are not part of that extreme, so you are not feeling that shortage as much. The only thing you will feel at Cathay and Emirates is experience levels decreasing among your new hires. Nobody disputes that because it is obvious and has already been admitted many times by their own managers and recruiters.
So stop proclaiming your ignorance to the world. For every 100 applicants Cathay gets there are hundreds of extremely unexperienced low-timers getting hired at regional outfits. Some are even having a hard time filling their new-hire classes. Keep in mind that no matter where you work, just about every outfit out there has put measures in place (band-aids really) to ease the crunch (retirement age increases, overworking crews, lowering experience requirements).
There are trends and they are being felt at the extremes. If you work at Emirates or Cathay you are not part of that extreme, so you are not feeling that shortage as much. The only thing you will feel at Cathay and Emirates is experience levels decreasing among your new hires. Nobody disputes that because it is obvious and has already been admitted many times by their own managers and recruiters.
So stop proclaiming your ignorance to the world. For every 100 applicants Cathay gets there are hundreds of extremely unexperienced low-timers getting hired at regional outfits. Some are even having a hard time filling their new-hire classes. Keep in mind that no matter where you work, just about every outfit out there has put measures in place (band-aids really) to ease the crunch (retirement age increases, overworking crews, lowering experience requirements).
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global warming is a bunch of bullsheet
Saying "my company is recruiting plenty of pilots so there is no pilot shortage" is about as ignorant as the people who say "it is cold today, so global warming is a bunch of bullsheet".
Could not agree more! and better than going against the nay sayers, I am one that took the leap of leaving the holly grails of CX into the unknown... and it keeps getting better by the day. I could not believe airplanes could fly without CTWO'S+ nor a little lateral thinking as "fuel dumping vs. jettison vs. ..." The present side step to the LCC or longer established outfits reveal that contracts maybe the way to go. Mind you, they are not as stable as an ever lasting, rotating 3 month contract, you will no longer accept a screaming skull in the cockpit...
Best advise I got in the paint brush scheme: you are an airbus/boeing pilot, what is painted on the side is none of your business. Be a pro, demand your share and you will receive what you are worth.
And for those that still remain skeptical, bottom line can be even better than on a 3 month deal. Left side that is. No golden cuffs, it's all green.
Smile! there is no shortage... other than talent.
Could not agree more! and better than going against the nay sayers, I am one that took the leap of leaving the holly grails of CX into the unknown... and it keeps getting better by the day. I could not believe airplanes could fly without CTWO'S+ nor a little lateral thinking as "fuel dumping vs. jettison vs. ..." The present side step to the LCC or longer established outfits reveal that contracts maybe the way to go. Mind you, they are not as stable as an ever lasting, rotating 3 month contract, you will no longer accept a screaming skull in the cockpit...
Best advise I got in the paint brush scheme: you are an airbus/boeing pilot, what is painted on the side is none of your business. Be a pro, demand your share and you will receive what you are worth.
And for those that still remain skeptical, bottom line can be even better than on a 3 month deal. Left side that is. No golden cuffs, it's all green.
Smile! there is no shortage... other than talent.
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Yes, a load of Hooey
This is the usual and always successful effort to fire up wannabees and training schools and the result is the production of lots more pilots so that when the forecast time comes there will still be excess pilots and pay and conditions even then will continue to head south.
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I don't know. Post 911 the number of new pilots training in the US has dropped dramatically. Many large flight schools have gone TU, and two more large university aviation programs just announced that they will be closing their doors. You can no longer get financing for flight school from the large education financing companies, like Key. The big turnouts at the puppy mills in the states are a thing of the past. I guess we'll just have to wait and see....
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"Pilots" is too general a term to use, there are plenty out there looking for jobs.
Specifically there are now and will later on be shortages in certain areas:
1. Experienced type rated Captains.
2. F/Os suitable for command upgrade.
3. Instructor/Examiner pilots.
4. Suitable candidates for positions with second and third level airlines after the major ones have taken their pick of the field.
5. Pilots willing to "move here and work for what we are offering".
Top tier airlines will simply lower their requirements to get the numbers in.
1. CPL instead of ATPL
2. Jet time instead of time on type.
3. Turbo prop time instead of jet.
4. 200hrs instead of 2000hrs.
5. Under 40 instead of under 25
6. Glasses acceptable instead of perfect vision.
The trick is to stay ahead of the curve in the planning department and not get caught short.
Specifically there are now and will later on be shortages in certain areas:
1. Experienced type rated Captains.
2. F/Os suitable for command upgrade.
3. Instructor/Examiner pilots.
4. Suitable candidates for positions with second and third level airlines after the major ones have taken their pick of the field.
5. Pilots willing to "move here and work for what we are offering".
Top tier airlines will simply lower their requirements to get the numbers in.
1. CPL instead of ATPL
2. Jet time instead of time on type.
3. Turbo prop time instead of jet.
4. 200hrs instead of 2000hrs.
5. Under 40 instead of under 25
6. Glasses acceptable instead of perfect vision.
The trick is to stay ahead of the curve in the planning department and not get caught short.
