Freighter Jump Seat
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Freighter Jump Seat
Looking for a bit of history on this. Why are we not able to jump seat on the freighter aircraft? I can see why non-cockpit crew members would be excluded, but why other pilots?
I may be wrong, but I believe Fed Ex pilots are able to jump seat on their own, and we get PX'd on them constantly. So what is the deal?
Could be something that the company could give that wouldn't hurt the bottom line.
I may be wrong, but I believe Fed Ex pilots are able to jump seat on their own, and we get PX'd on them constantly. So what is the deal?
Could be something that the company could give that wouldn't hurt the bottom line.
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I am assuming that you are talking getting jumpseat on freighters for leisure travel.
Freighter aircraft carries Cargo-Aircraft-Only (CAO) dangerous goods, therefore persons onboard must be on official company, duty-related travel purposes. Jumpseating for leisure travel contravenes the CAO principle.
And why should pilots be given the additional option of getting jumpseat on freigthers over other employees of the company (for leisure travel purposes)?
Freighter aircraft carries Cargo-Aircraft-Only (CAO) dangerous goods, therefore persons onboard must be on official company, duty-related travel purposes. Jumpseating for leisure travel contravenes the CAO principle.
And why should pilots be given the additional option of getting jumpseat on freigthers over other employees of the company (for leisure travel purposes)?
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"why should pilots be given this benefit"
Typical jealous ground staff attitude!
"If I'm not entitled to... then nobody should be!"
Well, I'd like to be home every week-end, for Xmas AND for New year, thank you.
Typical jealous ground staff attitude!
"If I'm not entitled to... then nobody should be!"
Well, I'd like to be home every week-end, for Xmas AND for New year, thank you.
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It is against the CAD rules for carriage of non operating personnel on Hong Kong registered freighters.CX do not have any say in the implimentation of the Hong Kong rules.
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It is against the CAD rules for carriage of non operating personnel on Hong Kong registered freighters.
Oh yes I forgot, CAD rules subject to change at the discretion of the company
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Guess what. Just heard from a buddy. FedEx has agreements with many airlines that allow pilots of other approved carriers to call a phone number and list themselves for the jumpseat with Captains approval. A smile and a handshake presentation of union card and your off!
Something to think about anyway. I am sure our housing allowance will be benchmarked with FedEx's HKG housing allowance in the upcoming negotiations, so why not try to get some equivalent perks?
Something to think about anyway. I am sure our housing allowance will be benchmarked with FedEx's HKG housing allowance in the upcoming negotiations, so why not try to get some equivalent perks?
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If any HKCAD people are trolling this forum, please consider this:
A dark night over the Pacific and a smoke/fire warning...
6 empty seats upstairs.
OR
A couple of jumpseating off duty pilots, trained in firefighting duties.
I know what I would prefer.
If any HKCAD people are trolling this forum, please consider this:
A dark night over the Pacific and a smoke/fire warning...
6 empty seats upstairs.
OR
A couple of jumpseating off duty pilots, trained in firefighting duties.
I know what I would prefer.
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"Typical jealous ground staff attitude!"
Typical pilot attitude: because I am pilot, I am highly trained, I am in command of $200m aircraft, I am God, and therefore the company should give me special benefits.
Just remember, without ground staff (marketing, sales, ramp, operations), you pilots would not have employment, let alone a $200m aircraft to fly.
I just hope your attitude towards ground staff is more respecting out at the airport than what is shown in this forum.
"Typical jealous ground staff attitude!"
Typical pilot attitude: because I am pilot, I am highly trained, I am in command of $200m aircraft, I am God, and therefore the company should give me special benefits.
Just remember, without ground staff (marketing, sales, ramp, operations), you pilots would not have employment, let alone a $200m aircraft to fly.
I just hope your attitude towards ground staff is more respecting out at the airport than what is shown in this forum.
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Something to think about anyway. I am sure our housing allowance will be benchmarked with FedEx's HKG housing allowance in the upcoming negotiations, so why not try to get some equivalent perks?
If any HKCAD people are trolling this forum, please consider this:
A dark night over the Pacific and a smoke/fire warning...
6 empty seats upstairs.
OR
A couple of jumpseating off duty pilots, trained in firefighting duties.
I know what I would prefer.
A dark night over the Pacific and a smoke/fire warning...
6 empty seats upstairs.
OR
A couple of jumpseating off duty pilots, trained in firefighting duties.
I know what I would prefer.
When is the last time the CAD fined CX for ANYTHING? Isn't it weird that Cathay never receives any fines from the CAD? With something as complex as aviation, you are telling me that CX is compliant in absolutely every little minor detail. Yeah right.
The EU has recently placed every airline in the Philippines on the no-fly list due to their lack of confidence in their regulatory authority. I wonder why they don't apply the same logic to the HKCAD?
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"Typical pilot attitude: because I am pilot, I am highly trained, I am in command of $200m aircraft, I am God, and therefore the company should give me special benefits. "
Your words, not his, minglestar... and the one with the chip on their shoulder would be whom I wonder?
Have you considered the fact that it's our 'office' up there and hence we occasionally get just a little roused when 'clerks' from each and every department see fit to begin dictating our 'office' policy?
Your words, not his, minglestar... and the one with the chip on their shoulder would be whom I wonder?
Have you considered the fact that it's our 'office' up there and hence we occasionally get just a little roused when 'clerks' from each and every department see fit to begin dictating our 'office' policy?
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If you read the copy of the Company's Air Operators Certificate in the Ops manual you would know the CAD sets the requirements for the use of the spare seats on the freighter.
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Oh, and did you not know that CX has a passenger division, serviced by young, eager beaver China dolls? Why would you want to sit in the dull upstairs of a garbage truck and make your own cup of tea. . . and from time to time become radioactive from all the dangerous **** that's carried?
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Referring to staff from other departments as "clerks". What does that make the pilots - "glorified bus drivers"? It is this kind of condensing attitude that I am talking about that is exhibited by some pilots.
What happened to teamwork and being a team player. Remember that the ground staff plays just an equally important role for the safe and economical operation of flights.
Referring to staff from other departments as "clerks". What does that make the pilots - "glorified bus drivers"? It is this kind of condensing attitude that I am talking about that is exhibited by some pilots.
What happened to teamwork and being a team player. Remember that the ground staff plays just an equally important role for the safe and economical operation of flights.
minglestar
How do you think we feel when we go to work at all hours and have no-one in the offices to assist with Admin, Medical, Staff Travel, Laundry etc.
When you consider that these offices are manned only 40 hrs a week out of a possible 168hrs (and that takes no account of innumerable Public Holidays). We are often away from homes and families for up to 2 weeks at a time. Is it any wonder we don't want to waste our few days off at home running round offices. We often go to work with the a/c turned off, escalators turned off, and limited public transport.
I realise this fully applies to our Cabin Crew as well but for all other staff it does not really affect them.
You now come on and bitch about pilots wanting to use Jump seats. Do you really expect any other reaction to you on a pilots forum with your offensive comments. Yes, teamwork takes place every time a flight arrives or departs but this is not your place to comment. I suggest you go and do your "condensing" elsewhere
When you consider that these offices are manned only 40 hrs a week out of a possible 168hrs (and that takes no account of innumerable Public Holidays). We are often away from homes and families for up to 2 weeks at a time. Is it any wonder we don't want to waste our few days off at home running round offices. We often go to work with the a/c turned off, escalators turned off, and limited public transport.
I realise this fully applies to our Cabin Crew as well but for all other staff it does not really affect them.
You now come on and bitch about pilots wanting to use Jump seats. Do you really expect any other reaction to you on a pilots forum with your offensive comments. Yes, teamwork takes place every time a flight arrives or departs but this is not your place to comment. I suggest you go and do your "condensing" elsewhere
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Minge*, "Just remember, without ground staff (marketing, sales, ramp, operations), you pilots would not have employment, let alone a $200m aircraft to fly"
I can't tell if you really actually believe that crap you've written or not.
How on earth did Farrell and de Kantzow get the whole operation going without 40 different departments to show them the way?
I can't tell if you really actually believe that crap you've written or not.
How on earth did Farrell and de Kantzow get the whole operation going without 40 different departments to show them the way?